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Author:  TheApostle [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Evaluate this opinion opener
This Saturday I shall be going to a free bootcamp and was thinking about using an opinion opener to begin with. Mainly because it's interesting and it could get a conversation going.

The objective of that bootcamp is to open a set and then get an instant date.

This is a real event, and I am using this opener so that it automatically DHV's me while opening:

Hey, excuse me! I am going to meet some friends of mine(False-Time Constraint) and I was wondering whether I could get a female opinion on a matter? (Y or N) Well, a friend of mine who is almost 40 years old is really into his female co-worker. This poor chap has not dated for almost 20 years and has had only 1 girlfriend in his life. (Creating intrigue and controversy) Well, he told me that he has written 11 letters to this lady and hopes to win her over, but the problem is she has NEVER replied. He wanted to write her another letter because he believes that females appreciate that gesture. But I think that it's not a good idea because that would come off as stalkerish, sending 12 letters. What would you advise?

I think this would DHV as a guy that looks out for his friends and it might flip on a attraction switch. I shall be using this in a shopping mall and in Asia where I represent the ethnic minority thus I shall be using their language hopefully another DHV.

How is it?

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Author:  StreetLight [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:06 pm ]
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... I feel a bit disturbed right now
Author:  TheApostle [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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... I feel a bit disturbed right now
?? If you're referring to the story of writing 11 letters, I was too...please also write down how to improve this opener?
Author:  ChrisyRich [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:46 pm ]
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I don't know man. I mean what is your goal? Are you trying to get more comfortable around women or it seems to me that you are trying out some of this stuff to see if it works.

I mean it is as good a canned opener as any I suppose but have other things up your sleeve too.

You want an opinion opener? I mean enjoy the music and ask her about what she thinks about the music?

If she is drinking ask her what she thinks women like to drink the most? (Assuming no negging is needed)

I mean these are two banal and stupid examples but ask her anything really.

I don't know maybe my answer did not help :(
Author:  Turbo [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:57 pm ]
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It's just another opinion opener, nothing special. I could get the same thing asking "Hey I'm thinking about getting a tattoo, got any cool ideas?"
Author:  TheApostle [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:54 am ]
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My objective is is for the opener to hook and also DHV me at the same time. Which is something not every canned opener does.
Author:  ChrisyRich [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:27 am ]
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I know what you mean.

But might I add that perhaps instead of trying to add DHV in just one giant story, you want to learn how to build it with a conversation.

There are many ways to do DHV many of which I am just beginning to learn. My point is that this opener kind of misses the point of human interaction.

But why don't you try it and tell us how it works? I'm curious :wink:
Author:  kasabi [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:42 am ]
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Are you a Shakespearean actor? What's with the monologue?

Keep it simple. Not a big fan of opinion openers in general but why not:

Hey, do you know this song? (This is asking for an opinion) I kinda like it . . . who sings it? so you're into . . . blah, blah . . .

Is that a _______ (whatever she's drinking . . . It doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong) I gotta try that . . . its it good? Blah, blah . . . bars, cocktails, etc . . .
Author:  NikoGR [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:48 pm ]
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That opinion opener does not DHV you in any way. I would also never use the word stalker/creep or anything that could also be described to you negatively...One of the last words you say is stalker...meaning thats what of the last words in her mind...leaving her thinking of the word stalker while talking to some strange guy that just tried to open them with an opinion about stalkers.
Author:  zappo [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:45 pm ]
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You said your from Asia so their may be a little difference in conversation flow .

I would shorten that opener down as much as possible and as the guy asked above are you a Shakespearean..... cool it up a bit.

Instead of
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Well, a friend of mine who is almost 40 years old is really into his female co-worker. This poor chap has not dated for almost 20 years and has had only 1 girlfriend in his life. (Creating intrigue and controversy) Well, he told me that he has written 11 letters to this lady and hopes to win her over, but the problem is she has NEVER replied. He wanted to write her another letter because he believes that females appreciate that gesture. But I think that it's not a good idea because that would come off as stalkerish, sending 12 letters. What would you advise?
I would say " friend of mine has been writing soppy letters to some girl ( dont use the word female or lady ...ever :( ) .....declaring his love and that .Hes like written a books worth of them ( over exaggerate it too add some comedy maybe even gesture the amount) The thing is she never replys to any of them .. and yet hes like addicted to sending them to her . If a guy did this too you would you respond , or just laugh at him ?"
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