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Author:  openMinded [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:40 am ]
Post subject:  Why am I failing miserably?
I have been actively working on my game for the last 5 months. The advices I have received through other forums, and knowledge through the PUA DVD's have improved my game dramatically.

I am now able to get phone numbers from girls more easily. However, rarely the chicks respond to my text messages or phone calls. In fact, only got 3 dates, 3 kiss closes from 3 of the 80 people who I got the phone numbers from.

My noticeable weaknesses are text game and DHV storytelling which I would often like to avoid having to do.

What the hell am I doing wrong?

Any advices, comments, or opinions on my current situation is greatly appreciated.
Author:  Solteris [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:43 am ]
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Im with ya man, getting the number has become the easier part of this whole mess. It's hard to find any relief. I would go back and think that maybe I did something wrong during the approach or along the pick up but I couldnt figure out what it was. They shown interest but when it came to getting back at them, it felt like I was back at square one. So, I stopped going for just numbers. I found out that I was settling for numbers and ejecting as soon as I could, I considered the number the "goal" and treated it like a notch under my belt, it was too much of a competition.

I didnt really try anything special to change but I stopped having that specific goal of getting the number and kept interactions going as long as I could, anything to stay in and try and build something with these women. I've had slightly better results as such but that text game can be a killer man. If I could say anything, just have fun with them when you approach and dont go for the throat with a number close. Number closes are easy to get caught into a loop...you recite a few lines that you've gotten good at reciting to women with that number as the goal, the finish line but it's alot deeper than that. Thats why when I go out, after I get the number I always stick around after a few minutes and try and continue to build attraction. If a woman gives you her number, it means thats she's interested so if there's ever a green light to go hard with your game it'd be after that and it will leave a more lasting impression.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:28 pm ]
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I think you answered this one for yourself.

You said text-game was your weakness-well,improve on it.

Maybe you've been making common texting mistakes like over texting the target,texting too much(which could subcommunicate that you dont have a life nor much going on for you-a DLV),and you're not conveying interest via text.

Whats your purpose for texting?

If it's to set up dates,day 2's,etc.-bad idea.

You should never try setting up dates via texting.

Texting is low committment,and girls just dont put too much importance into whats said via text or written.

You want to set up a meet,then do it over the phone(calling).

The woman will flake on you most times if she does agree to meet solely via text.

Especially if she doesnt owe you anything;meaning she dosnt know you prior,never met you besides the initial approach...
Author:  Zephyrine [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:54 pm ]
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First of all, don't let the first post-number-close contact be via text. CALL HER!! Texting demonstrates insecurity.

Texting should not enter the picture until after Day 2. And even then it is best to let her initiate. Most women cannot resist the urge to text after a great date.

After she pathetically texts you "I had a great time on Friday :)" you may respond, but cryptically. Avoid smiley faces, winking faces (childish) and stupid text lingo (lazy).

Always keep texting at a ratio of 2:1 - as in she texts you twice and you respond once. This will infuriate and intrigue her.

Never, ever, ever, EVER make plans via text. This makes them indefinite and impersonal - aka easier to flake on. [/u][/i]
Author:  oegg [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:47 am ]
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this is a similar remake of my thread , unproductive numbers, please refer to that one for the full story. its not very organized though.

i understand that texting is weak, and i dont overtext, i remain at a1:1 ratio or 2:3 ratio. the reason i dont start by calling is because people are more likely to ignore calls over texts because they could be doing something that would make answering a call seem awkward when i call. and when that happens i lose value if i call again. and if i dont i can only hope that they will call back, which isnt common.

maybe its the way i number close thats the problem, because i make it seem natural and not a big deal, so they might not even know im trying to set up a date. which is unlikely because i invest so much time in to each and every interaction.
Author:  StanleyKowalski [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Why am I failing miserably?
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I have been actively working on my game for the last 5 months. The advices I have received through other forums, and knowledge through the PUA DVD's have improved my game dramatically.

I am now able to get phone numbers from girls more easily. However, rarely the chicks respond to my text messages or phone calls. In fact, only got 3 dates, 3 kiss closes from 3 of the 80 people who I got the phone numbers from.

My noticeable weaknesses are text game and DHV storytelling which I would often like to avoid having to do.

What the hell am I doing wrong?

Any advices, comments, or opinions on my current situation is greatly appreciated.
Those dvd's ripped you off. Any guy can get phone #'s, you just have to be confident. 3 kisses in 3 months is below normal. Girls are attracted in SECONDS not hours, and there's no such thing as text game. Just get sexual with them fast, they want it as much as you. They just want you to be discreet to avoid the "slut" label.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:22 am ]
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Wow!!

1st.off,great post Zephyrine;love the advice.

How true;most women cannot resist urge to text(lol).

Im confused by this post's thread though.

Who wrote the post about...whatever,I think it's Open minded.

Anyway,helpful pointers from Open minded.
Author:  Chief [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:59 am ]
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From my assessment of you from other posts, I'd say that you're putting need 2 before need 1 (referencing 60 Years Of Challenge's literature).

Need 1 is your need for sex and need 2 is your need for romance. If you put the cart before the horse then you might as well be like any other AFC with no balls.

I'm guessing those DVDs you got never told you how to use sexual state and how to project that sexual state in order to create sexual tension.
Author:  civilian [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:58 pm ]
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Start learning to game past numbers.
Recommended: GW Method!
Author:  openMinded [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:43 am ]
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Wow!!

1st.off,great post Zephyrine;love the advice.

How true;most women cannot resist urge to text(lol).

Im confused by this post's thread though.

Who wrote the post about...whatever,I think it's Open minded.

Anyway,helpful pointers from Open minded.
Np.

"Especially if she doesnt owe you anything;meaning she dosnt know you prior,never met you besides the initial approach."

This part is insightful man. Thanks. I wished I asked this question a little sooner. I overlooked the power of text, now I realized that texting is garbage.

Once again, thanks man.
Author:  openMinded [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Why am I failing miserably?
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I have been actively working on my game for the last 5 months. The advices I have received through other forums, and knowledge through the PUA DVD's have improved my game dramatically.

I am now able to get phone numbers from girls more easily. However, rarely the chicks respond to my text messages or phone calls. In fact, only got 3 dates, 3 kiss closes from 3 of the 80 people who I got the phone numbers from.

My noticeable weaknesses are text game and DHV storytelling which I would often like to avoid having to do.

What the hell am I doing wrong?

Any advices, comments, or opinions on my current situation is greatly appreciated.
Those dvd's ripped you off. Any guy can get phone #'s, you just have to be confident. 3 kisses in 3 months is below normal. Girls are attracted in SECONDS not hours, and there's no such thing as text game. Just get sexual with them fast, they want it as much as you. They just want you to be discreet to avoid the "slut" label.
"Just get sexual with them fast, they want it as much as you."

I realize this point, yet I deny myself of it. I think from all the discussions I have had here so far on this forum have helped me realize one thing about myself and want to make me grow as a person.

Thanks for pointing that out StanleyKowalski.
Author:  openMinded [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:56 am ]
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From my assessment of you from other posts, I'd say that you're putting need 2 before need 1 (referencing 60 Years Of Challenge's literature).

Need 1 is your need for sex and need 2 is your need for romance. If you put the cart before the horse then you might as well be like any other AFC with no balls.

I'm guessing those DVDs you got never told you how to use sexual state and how to project that sexual state in order to create sexual tension.
No. You are right Chief. I have been putting need 2 before need 1. You guys have opened my mind (I've accepted the new notion) .

Well. The DVD I saw was from Gambler actually. Here's the link if relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qn49oAS ... =1&index=3

Creating sexual tension is easy. You just look at them intensely in the eyes. Then you grab their downstairs when they start to doze off. A romantic setting might help too .
Author:  openMinded [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:58 am ]
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Quote:
Start learning to game past numbers.
Recommended: GW Method!
Reading it . Thx.
Author:  civilian [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:00 pm ]
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Its a good theory, let me know when you finish reading.
Author:  openMinded [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:30 pm ]
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Its a good theory, let me know when you finish reading.
While reading it, most likely I will let you know that I have questions LOL. Some of the Gunswitch stuff is not really well supported by experimental results. I mean none of it is. So it is really hard to be convinced and accept some of Gunswitch's believes especially when you already possess a completely different schema of how this PU thing works (with particular regards to Female psychology) .In fact, I already even posted a question on this forum about this.

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