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Author:  oegg [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Unproductive Numbers
hey guys, im here today because a friend of mine told me this is a great place for people to rant about their sex life and relationship problems, as well as seeking potential help and pointers. i decided that i want to be here , so here i am.

for the past 5 month of active gaming, for me number closing . i have succeeded in 80 number closes, all tested, proven to work and are responsive. as well as(useless information, very cute 8-9s ) . however only one of them turned into a lay, f-close, 3 dates, 3 kiss closes,(which are the same people). so my success rate is either 1/80 or 3/80 if im counting k-closes. which is extremely sad considering i only asked for numbers of the people i invested a 30minute-3 hours of good conversation with. my noticeable weaknesses are text game and storytelling, im not very good at it, but i usualy manage toget them to tell most of the stories because they seem interested in me, and i can keep the conversation flowing as well as adding attraction triggers. i always used the same indirect opener, and always chose a good situation to use it. i occasional use direct openers, and situational openers, but they never go anywhere, or im just too much of a pussy to ask for a numbers or go for a kiss and risk feeling down for an hour. anyways as of now i officially have no more ego to protect, so guys do me a favour and flame away. as long as it includes any helpful information what so ever. i am extremely open minded and is willing to learn. o and by the way most of these numbers die during the first 5 texts, i rarely start by calling.
Author:  jurupa [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:06 am ]
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Sounds like your not being aggressive enough really. You wait to long to ask for the number and your "tool box" has too few tools in it, so most of the time you can't complete the job due to your lack of "tools". You need to work on filling up your "tool box" with new tools and work on getting a girls number way quicker. You also need to get use to being rejected as you are not doing your self any favors feeling down after being rejected. The quicker you can bounce back the better.

Ideally you should really work on being able to get a general read on the girl so that you can adjust your game to the girl. It sounds like your current game is on a liner path and if the girl does not follow it you loose the girl. You need to make your game a lot more watery, if that make sense. In short you need to be on your feet all the time when you are gaming a girl as you have to be ready for anything and I do mean anything. A right now your flat footed.
Author:  Ezo [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:11 am ]
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Hey man, I cant even be bothered calling 90% of the girls I numberclose. Dont worry about it.
Author:  oegg [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:42 pm ]
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[/quote]Sounds like your not being aggressive enough really. You wait to long to ask for the number and your "tool box" has too few tools in it, so most of the time you can't complete the job due to your lack of "tools". You need to work on filling up your "tool box" with new tools and work on getting a girls number way quicker. You also need to get use to being rejected as you are not doing your self any favors feeling down after being rejected. The quicker you can bounce back the better.

Ideally you should really work on being able to get a general read on the girl so that you can adjust your game to the girl. It sounds like your current game is on a liner path and if the girl does not follow it you loose the girl. You need to make your game a lot more watery, if that make sense. In short you need to be on your feet all the time when you are gaming a girl as you have to be ready for anything and I do mean anything. A right now your flat footed.

thanks for the great analogy, i was losing hope in getting a responce, but would would you suggest for me to do , ur advices are a bit vague, would u mind going mroe indepth pls
Author:  oegg [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:48 pm ]
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ezo, the only two ways for me to pick up women or get laid as of now is either n-closing which isnt working at all as you can see or grinding up random targets in clubs, from what ive seen so far, the more i talk, the more time i spend, the better results for the time being, but horrible results in the end. ironically people have given me feedbacks on my social intuition as they enjoy talking to me and im a nice person.
i know how to be a dick, but i only use it when i feel ive got the upper hand of the situation.

so cant be bothered to call 90% of the number close translate to what? if i got a f-close everytime i wouldnmt be here.
Author:  Ezo [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:37 pm ]
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No it translates to, I like the game itself. I can F-close but I dont need to. If I dont really like the girl or whatever, I dont bother. It is more fun to go out hunting again... I love the game, not the prize.
Author:  oegg [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:37 am ]
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hunting and constantly not getting prizes means going into starvation. cant hunt when ur starving, u'll probably starve to death instead.

i enjoy playing the game, but the results and ratio of success its yieling makes me want to quit. or find a new way to feed myself, maybe farming, my bad for using so many symbolisms, just following ur train of thought.

so would u mind sharing any tips or suggestions for me to hunt better. maybe a new gun, new bullets, new traps, new gear, new dogs, new hunting grounds, excetera.

or it could be something longterm like my aim, reflex, speed, patience etc
Author:  StanleyKowalski [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:38 am ]
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Getting phone #'s is a large waste of time. Did you ever read Gunwitch's stuff? His whole method is free on his site, and he says not to get #'s and to just fclose them the same day.
Author:  oegg [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:49 am ]
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not every1 has the ability to f close on the initial approach unless its in a club or a bar, then i can do it , but thats not the point.
Author:  openMinded [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:12 am ]
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Getting phone #'s is a large waste of time. Did you ever read Gunwitch's stuff? His whole method is free on his site, and he says not to get #'s and to just fclose them the same day.
Good point. Gunswitch's stuff teaches u how to improve ur ability on f-close on same day.
Author:  jurupa [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:55 am ]
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thanks for the great analogy, i was losing hope in getting a responce, but would would you suggest for me to do , ur advices are a bit vague, would u mind going mroe indepth pls
You need to work on coming up with more "tools". In other words you need way more than one opener and way more routines than what you have now. Ideally you should have 5 general openers and 5 routines. That way you are not running the same game on every girl you approach. As right now that is what you are doing. One opener and one routine doesn't cut it. I know you said you try other types of openers with none of them working. That is because you are not working on improving on getting them better. You seem to just throw them out there hoping they will work. Try delivering these openers in different ways and see how girls respond to them. It also takes time to get better at PUA. You can just expect in 5 months time you be getting girls left and right.

Every girl requires a different game "plan" to get, because no two girls are the same not even twins. And because of this you need to be able to read the girls' body language to be able to form a opener that will be more suited to her. I am not going to go into all of the ins and outs of body language and how you should open this type of girl over this type of girl as that will just be miles of posts/text and I doubt you want that and I sure heck don't want to type out all of that info. I will tell you the best way to learn body language is to go to a popular public place, like a mall and watch the people go by and just see how they project themselves. You will learn a lot this way. The quicker you get at getting a general read on a girl the better off you are. Girls in general will sum you up within 30 seconds, usually they do it within 15 seconds or less. Ideally you should become that fast in reading body language because as I mentioned in my post above you need to be on your feet at all times.

Hopefully this was better for you to understand. If not let me know and what things you don't get.
Author:  openMinded [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:11 pm ]
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thanks for the great analogy, i was losing hope in getting a responce, but would would you suggest for me to do , ur advices are a bit vague, would u mind going mroe indepth pls
You need to work on coming up with more "tools". In other words you need way more than one opener and way more routines than what you have now. Ideally you should have 5 general openers and 5 routines. That way you are not running the same game on every girl you approach. As right now that is what you are doing. One opener and one routine doesn't cut it. I know you said you try other types of openers with none of them working. That is because you are not working on improving on getting them better. You seem to just throw them out there hoping they will work. Try delivering these openers in different ways and see how girls respond to them. It also takes time to get better at PUA. You can just expect in 5 months time you be getting girls left and right.

Every girl requires a different game "plan" to get, because no two girls are the same not even twins. And because of this you need to be able to read the girls' body language to be able to form a opener that will be more suited to her. I am not going to go into all of the ins and outs of body language and how you should open this type of girl over this type of girl as that will just be miles of posts/text and I doubt you want that and I sure heck don't want to type out all of that info. I will tell you the best way to learn body language is to go to a popular public place, like a mall and watch the people go by and just see how they project themselves. You will learn a lot this way. The quicker you get at getting a general read on a girl the better off you are. Girls in general will sum you up within 30 seconds, usually they do it within 15 seconds or less. Ideally you should become that fast in reading body language because as I mentioned in my post above you need to be on your feet at all times.

Hopefully this was better for you to understand. If not let me know and what things you don't get.
Usually my opener goes like this. I walk up to a hot girl. I ask them "How much?" .

ha...
Author:  jurupa [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:56 pm ]
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thanks for the great analogy, i was losing hope in getting a responce, but would would you suggest for me to do , ur advices are a bit vague, would u mind going mroe indepth pls
You need to work on coming up with more "tools". In other words you need way more than one opener and way more routines than what you have now. Ideally you should have 5 general openers and 5 routines. That way you are not running the same game on every girl you approach. As right now that is what you are doing. One opener and one routine doesn't cut it. I know you said you try other types of openers with none of them working. That is because you are not working on improving on getting them better. You seem to just throw them out there hoping they will work. Try delivering these openers in different ways and see how girls respond to them. It also takes time to get better at PUA. You can just expect in 5 months time you be getting girls left and right.

Every girl requires a different game "plan" to get, because no two girls are the same not even twins. And because of this you need to be able to read the girls' body language to be able to form a opener that will be more suited to her. I am not going to go into all of the ins and outs of body language and how you should open this type of girl over this type of girl as that will just be miles of posts/text and I doubt you want that and I sure heck don't want to type out all of that info. I will tell you the best way to learn body language is to go to a popular public place, like a mall and watch the people go by and just see how they project themselves. You will learn a lot this way. The quicker you get at getting a general read on a girl the better off you are. Girls in general will sum you up within 30 seconds, usually they do it within 15 seconds or less. Ideally you should become that fast in reading body language because as I mentioned in my post above you need to be on your feet at all times.

Hopefully this was better for you to understand. If not let me know and what things you don't get.
Usually my opener goes like this. I walk up to a hot girl. I ask them "How much?" .

ha...
lamo.
Author:  oegg [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:47 pm ]
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jurupa thx for the answers, but how do you read a person and know which opener to use without violating the 3 seconds rule. right now all i can tell is brunettes over redheads over blondes for day game, blondes over brunettes over redheads for night game. as well as preppy or hippy over skanky and bitchy for day game, and skanky and bitchy over preppy and hippy for night game. and the only body language i can read so far is their pose, and eye contact.

btw my indiret opener has been good for all types of girls so far, some are more responsive than others .

can u suggest a few direct openers or a few all purpose indirect openers that i can use?

as well as a brief lesson on reading body language and making a quick plan within 3 seconds?

much appreciated, oeg
Author:  Ezo [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:25 am ]
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Actually, dont worry about the 3 seconds rule. It isnt a rule like that. It is there to make sure you reduce AA by not thinking too much. (No, Rune, I still disagree! ;) ).

So what you really need is to stop worrying about it and stop worrying about faliure. Every set is different so you need to learn how to calibrate. If you cannot do it now, you will learn from experience. As it is now, I calibrate during my opener, I just need like 1 second to calibrate. What she looks like, how she stands and how she acts gives away a million things you can use.

I have been around for a while so obviously I have more training but dont worry, you will get it too! You just need the experience. I still use my all time favourite, the gay opener, unless I make something up on the spot.

PUA: Hey, quick question, does this jacket make me look gay or is it metrosexual?

You can read a lot from their reaction. But thats not something you can be told over a forum. You need to collect experience. There are a million signals going on all the time, like bodyposture and hand signals and shit. But if I tell you something that is true for one situation it might mean the opposite in another situation in combination with other signals. So you see, it is not easy to tell but way easier to figure out for yourself. Plus more fun too!

Hope it helps.

As for my comment above. You could also say that, yeah, if you love the game but not the prize you might not get pussy. Unless of course you get pussy and realize that it isnt all that awesome. Thats when you can afford to be selective.

Like Hobbit says: You long for sex until you have it, then you realize that it fucking sucks.
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