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| Author: | Visionxxxxxx [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Turning the interaction sexual... |
Think Ive posted something along these lines before. I wouldn't call it a sticking point of mine but I'm looking for a better solution. I turn the convo fairly sexual quite quickly, I normally start by accusing her of wanting me, taking advantage of me, telling her she wont be able to study unless she stops fantasizing about me etc etc. this at least brings the convo onto a more sexual level. The problem Im having is (and this is specifically with the younger gals), they sometimes are unreactive to it and its clearly because they dont want to come across as slutty by talking 'dirty' (or at least sexually) with a guy that they dont know that well. Another reason is that girls dont want to give the guy that wrong idea...ie. that theyre easy. And an even further reason is that being about 8 to 10 years older than them, they are a little bit intimidated sexually as they dont know what will be expected of them (which is of course completely natural). An extreme example is trying to get with a virgin when you are known as the god of sex....she will be intimidated by what is expected of her and will worry about fulfilling your needs. Currently (even after I have built trust), if she is unreactive and does not comply with a sexual comment in response to mine, i normally just carry on the convo teasing etc. and once ive put a little more work in then try go sexual again. What do you guys do when a girl is unreactive to a sexual remark, how do you get her to be sexual if she is resisting it repeatedly (she may WANT to get sexual but her reputation is at stake of course). Older girls I dont have this problem with, it's around the 20 yr old mark that Im hitting this issue. |
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| Author: | the scamp [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:29 pm ] |
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Yeah I've hit this issue. I'm probably not as overt as you in escalation (need to work on that) But from my experience Girls similar age or older, Escalation easy Younger girls, Escalation can seem predatory or pervy coming from the older guy My strategy is to go the other way with the younger ones. I tend to disqualify them, say they are far too young. Not in a teasing way in a quietly dominant way. This (in my limited experience) makes them come to you, they get curious (most younger girls have an "Older man fantasy") But it is a slow burn. As an older bloke you have to play to your strengths. ie. You know what you want Are not ruled by your cock Have standards Display quiet authority over her This infers you are the "Bollocks" in the sack. She'll come to you Working on a couple of Younger girls at the moment (late teens/early twenties), will update any progress. Scamps |
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| Author: | Hakuna [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:44 pm ] |
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Persistence. Every girl is sexual and cannot help being attracted to an Alpha, and every girl will eventually break. |
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| Author: | Riott [ Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:10 pm ] |
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What I've been doing in this situation is building more attraction and throwing out a series of qualification hoops. Small to bigger- before getting into the heavy sexual talk. I also cold reading them as a sexual person, rather than accusing them of trying to sexually molest me right off the bat. A cold read works well for this because you're not directly saying something about them being sexual- but it's rather dictated by a ring, or what they said. That should get the ball rolling sexual- and then the teases about her being a sexual predator are a little easier to pull off. Good cold reads I like are a variation of rings on fingers and the strawberry fields test. |
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| Author: | Visionxxxxxx [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:26 am ] |
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Nice replies thanks all. Hakuna I think you're right, however it's also very easy to push a little too hard with the sexual talk resulting in her thinking that you only want 'one thing' which scares her off. I think a balance is needed. Riott, out of interest can you give an example of a qualification hoop that you would use in this situation to give me a better idea how you would apply it. The nice thing about qualification (IMO) is that it serves 2 main purposes, firstly for you to determine whether she's the kind of girl you want to be involved with in the first place, and secondly it causes her to backward rationalize that she MUST want you if she finds herself validating herself to you (the beauty of shaping). Quote: I like are a variation of rings on fingers and the strawberry fields test.
Never heard of these...elaborate if you will?
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| Author: | Riott [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:27 pm ] |
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I use qualification hoops as my oh shit button. If I don't know where I'm at with a girl, I use qualification or movement to see what kind of attraction I have with a girl. I'd usually start off with a small qualification hoop like, and move up to medium hoops and then larger hoops to build some momentum. If she says yes to all your small and medium hoops, then chances are she will say yes to the large hoop you give her. Small Hoops- are positive female stereotypes that any women would want to be seen as. Things like, Are you adventurous- are you spontaneous, are you a good friend. Low investment, chances are she will say yes and you can build momentum from there. Medium Hoops- What do you wanna be when you grow up? What do you do for fun? What are you passionate about. Questions that take a little more investment- a little more time to answer. Large Hoop- Blatantly qualifying questions- Why are you special? What do you have going on besides your looks? Why do I want to get to know you? Great for giving a girl a reason to why you like her. I use them to see where I am in the interaction. If a girl will not qualify a medium hoop- then I go back to attraction and bring up another medium hoop later. If you get a girl to jump through two small hoops, two medium hoops when you get to that large hoop she's already invested in the interaction and doesn't wanna lose that. Once she jumps through that large hoop I find going sexual to be much easier. These little cold read routines are great because they set sexual frames- I actually started using these after reading about them on Captain Jack's blog- Rings on Fingers sets the frames of- 1. We're both good at keeping secrets 2. When she sees someone that she's attracted to she becomes sexually aggressive 3. I'm not judgmental Me- looking at girls hand. "Mmmm" HB- "what?" Me- "Did you know you can tell a lot about a girl by what rings she wears her fingers on." After this bait line she should be asking to know what it means. Sometimes I do a mini takeaway and look away for a minute. Or, a lot of times I tell her to ask nicely. Pointing to her pinky finger, "This one means you're good at keeping secrets. That's why you pinky swear and all the mafia guys wear pinky rings." Pointing to the next finger, "This means when you find someone you're really attracted to you feel comfortable getting sexually aggressive with this person." -After this one it's important to not let her talk back- because she might try to qualify herself as not a slut- or wifey material. Then lastly- pick a finger, whether it's your finger with a ring on it- obviously one that isn't yours- or another one of hers if she's wearing three rings. "When someone wears a ring on this finger (pointing to your ring) it means they are NOT judgmental. They don't have all of the HANG-UPS about life and relationships that most people do." You can honestly mix or match any of the rings- or even take those frames and set them other ways. I find that when turning an interaction sexual there are a few frames that greatly improve your chances of sex. Kinda long winded. Hope that helps a little.[/list] |
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| Author: | Visionxxxxxx [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:40 am ] |
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Thanks for that Riott, I see what you mean now with regard to the cold reading in order to frame. I like it as one can really get creative with that (im not really one for routines but the concept can be used over and over again which is great). Another topic of mine on a similar subject...its a combo of shaping, but at the same time forcing her to show her compliance levels (link below). mix-of-shaping-and-qualification-vt6772 ... highlight= |
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