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Author:  Ipawnu [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Need help! In high school...(specific event)
Background info of me:

Ok, so I am a freshman in high school. I don't really have much of a social life with girls, but yet, some of my friends are pretty popular. I go to an all guys school. I'm below average looking, but I'd like to think I'm pretty funny, I always make everyone around me laugh.


My problem:


Quick info of where I saw her:
So, there was a huge party last friday, and I saw this girl i liked (lets call her gA (girl A). I knew her friend, and me and my friends, lets call them bA and bB (guy A and B), danced with us, so it was all fun and ****, she probally never noticed me. So ya, thats it.



Problem:

Ok, so bA asked me to come to the movies next friday to see Iron man2 to with bB and gA and maybe some other girls. So, of coarse I say yes. Now, I can assume that he is going to be talking with gA since he was the one that had the balls to ask her to come :l. And I think gA kind of likes him because she asked him to dance on the last song of the party. So, he starts with a confidence advantage over me. Now, I know what your going to say, don't hit on your friends girl, but we are ***** to each other and he won't care. So, I need tips on how to get this girl I mean, she isnt the queen bee or anything, I don't think she's had a boyfriend for a while, and I saw the guy she went to homecomming with and he looked like a complete duache, so my looks probally won't make her not like me. But, I've never really hit/openned on a girl, so I just need help fast, trying to get my first girl friend(I know it's late for a first).


Thanks~

I'l keep updating/check this thread all the time!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:55 am ]
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Lol,Ipawnu,where should I start?

1st.off,dont assume that gA is the guy's gf just because they danced and he invited her to movie.

Your prob' is so deep that I dont even know where to start.

You said you have no experience in picking up girls(openings)...

I can give you all the OUTTER game tips & tricks but they wont work unless your INNER game is some-what solid.

Inner game comprises of things like confidence-of which you dont have 1%.

The other boy on the other hand has confidence;as you stated-he had the balls to chat up the girl and get a group date to the movies.

The other guy would be the perfect candidate for outter game stuff since he already has confidence(inner game).

You want me or us to tell you outter game things(routines,etc.)when you dont even have the balls to execute them!

Work on your inner game first:confidence & approch anxiety.

You may miss out on this particular girl. But better to get your shit together than to learn routines and dont have inner game to execute them.

You have no experience in chatting up girls(as you said).

Yet you want to steal a girl from a guy who has confidence & balls(lol)???

I dont mean to be so harsh but Im not gonna lie to you like others would.

Ok,let's assume you didnt suffer from AA(approch anxiexty).

I'd first learn few good openers;or 1 for this particular girl[browse the opener section of the forum for opening routines].

Then I'd tell her 1 or 2 short-DHV stories[checc the forum for DHV routines].

Then over the course of days,I'd #close her[checc forum for #close routines].

Dont rush to #close this girl since you'll see her again.

If anything,get her e-mail and add her on FB or something.
Author:  KristallNachte [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:26 am ]
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i disagree with some of what he just said.

get the number fast.

girls like being swept off their feet, especially in highschool when things happen so fast.

but i still suggest mentioning it to your friend. no need to step on some toes, and maybe he'll even help you out, with that girl or another one.


but I do agree in that he said work on inner game. grow some balls and clean the dirt out of your vagina. DONT GIVE A FUCK!!!

And instead of thinking "i want a girlfriend" think "i want to have fun"
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:16 am ]
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Hey KristallNachte,reasons I said he shouldnt rush a #close is because:

1)He's guaranteed to see her again since she's in his social circle.It's not a chicc in a club which he may never see again.

2)Why should he rush for a #close when he doesnt even know how to #close?
He'll only fuck it up and she'll refuse to give him.

If she does give him the #,phone game will be an issue.

So I advocate chatting her up some.
Author:  Ipawnu [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:33 am ]
Post subject: 
Ok, so, maybe I didn't really say this to well,


1. bA and gA are not going out
2. I have extreme AA
3. I will probally never see her again if I don't get her number, I don't even really know her, I just saw her once
4. Have any tips to build your inner-game?
Author:  KristallNachte [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:14 am ]
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Quote:
1)He's guaranteed to see her again since she's in his social circle.It's not a chicc in a club which he may never see again.

2)Why should he rush for a #close when he doesnt even know how to #close?
He'll only fuck it up and she'll refuse to give him.
in highschool were you ever refused a number?

as long as you have a phone you're getting numbers in highschool, it takes zero tact or attraction.
Author:  Nihro [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:45 am ]
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K-loc I think you're being too hard on the kid, though I do very much agree with getting your inner game solid before moving onto outer game and whatnot. However, the problem with this is that he's a freshman in highschool, inner game is tough to perfect then. Ipawn, stop thinking you have had AA, that may be the case for now but the first time you push through that and find it's not as hard as you may have previously thought, you'll reach a pretty quick revelation for your age. As for the number close, numbers are not hard to get, one thing I will tell you is women and people in general do not respond well to questions. You need to kill the idea that this girl matters or that she could be your first girlfriend and realize that since she does not in fact go to your school you won't see her again unless you make it happen.

Trust me, it's not as hard as you think, go up to her and talk for a bit; she's a person just as you are, and all people like talking to other people. When it comes down to a lull in the conversation or the night is coming to a close go up to her and say "You seem like a cool person, you should give me your number so we can get to know each other better," make a polite statement instead of a question and it's pretty simple to pick up your goal. As for the other guy, meh who cares about him? First step into self confidence and inner game is allowing yourself to make mistakes without apologizing. Much luck.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:49 pm ]
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Great points Nihro.

Giving #'s arent that big of a deal to women.

I did get what you mean Ipawnu;that gA isnt going out with the other guy.

And I DID get that you said you havent approached any girls='s AA.

The best way of getting rid of AA is by doing the unthinkble-approaching everyone.

I forgot which dating guru I'd learned this concept from years ago...

But in reading is online-pick up article,he said to get rid of AA,you must just approach everyone and say hi to everyone.

It doesnt matter if it's a UG(ugly girl),old lady,etc.Just say hi to everyone you come by and small talk with them.

Have no intentions of "Pick Up".

Your sole purpose should be on greeting ppl and being social.

Eventully,you'd get used to being social.

That's how I'd done it.

After reading that article and other like it on various seduction websites,I went out walking...

Im passing an old lady,I say,"good morning(with a smile).

Im passing 2 little kids playing in the street,I say,"Hey boys...bla bla bla".

Im passing an HB(very nervously),I'd ask her a question,"Hey,do you know how to find..."?

All that was done without the intention of #close nor a goal.

In that RAFC stage,when you set goals and become outcome dependent,you'll get nervous trying to #close.

That is "the" most effective way to eradicte AA.

But,will it help you with this particular girl?Maybe not because it'd take time to rid AA.
Author:  Ipawnu [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
ok guys, thanks for the input, I try and get over the AA and stuff.

What would be the best things to talk about to keep the conversation flowing?
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:28 pm ]
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Well,if you're trying to eradicate AA with the technique I'd suggested,you dont need to stack forth nor keep the convo' flowing.

The initial purpose is to focus on opening and on becoming comfortable opening strangers.

The initial purpose should'nt be to keep the convo' flowing.

Just ask a question(situational):Hey,how do I get to....? Thanks for the directions.

The moment you start to set goals to keep convo' flowing,you'll choke up at this stage.

After you'd have gotten comfortable asking questions and saying hi to everyone, you should then learn,develope some routines or DHV stories.

A lot of guys hate canned routines but I like them and still use them when feel like.

So search the forum for a few good canned openers you can use after your initial question opener.

Example:

Me:Hey,which way is to the K-loc movie theatre?

HB(hot babe):Oh,you make a left hen...blablabla...

Me:Directions are so damn complicated nowdays.

HB:I know right.

Me:Hey checc this out,I only have a second,Im supposd to meet a friend at the theatre[this' called FTC-false time constraint].
Speaking of directions being complicated in this town,last week I too a taxi to *** and the damn guy didnt even know where *** was(lol)!!!
Could you imagine a taxi driver not knowing where *** is(lol)

Now,that was a situational routine-not canned,but made up on the fly.

Then after the situational thread,throw a canned routine in.

Me:[This routine popularized by Matador of Venusian Arts]
Hey I need your opinion on something.

HB:Ok,sure.

Me:My friend's gf fount some pics of his ex under his bed.
So she gave him an ultimatum;either burn the pics,or break up.
I mean is that fucking normal?

HB:bla,bla,bla...

So thats how you do it.

1st. a general question
2nd. a follow up situational thread(based on the question you'd asked)
3rd.A canned-opinion opener(but used 3rd.ly).
Author:  Ipawnu [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:53 pm ]
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Ya, I read through a bunch of the routines, but for this specific event I need help with, i'm with people who know me really well, and if I tried a routine, they would just be like "bull shit that happened" or something like that and mess it up, and I can guarentee they would not be likely to not say anything.
Author:  KristallNachte [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:43 pm ]
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so talk about something you KNOW, something you can be enthusiastic about

and stop caring what others will say. So what if they call bullshit on something? who the fuck are they to say you're talking out your ass?
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