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Author:  #1 Jish [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  dealing with amogs
Gday all since joining this forum i getting k closes and f closes a fair bit where as i was hardly ever at all before.

My problem seems to be when out with guys, I dont like to be the center of attention and I'm definately not the alpha male. Generally I am a quiet person so when around girls in a group of guys I seem to be an easy target so the amogs can inflate their self esteem.

I tried ditching the friends that payed me out it seems to have worked and now most guys i meet come across as my equal.

it just seems that when meeting all the alpha males of groups while i am out, they click onto my vunerability pretty fast.
So what could i do to come across as i guess more assertive, dominant etc
All these alpha males are just plain assholes with no regards for anyones feelings, which is where i think i fall short

Thanks for any help
Author:  magnum45 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: dealing with amogs
First off! Just because Alpha males are assholes doesn't mean that they don't care about anyone elses feelings. You got to handle your own shit. It is not their fault if you are not a complete human being. Don't call people assholes who make you feel bad. Get your shit together so they can't hurt you, which is what you are trying to do. And I applaud your effort, but don't call alpha males assholes or duchebags. To you they need to be your role models. If you want to be more dominant then you need to start looking up to the guys that are and respecting them. They will teach you... if you can handle their critisim. Think of them as teachers and not equals. They will like you for it, and you will benefit from it. Your other alternitive is to think you are better than them, and stay in your same rut. I hope your ego will not blind your decision.
Author:  #1 Jish [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:03 am ]
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thanks for your reply magnum you make some very valid points. Perhaps i ought to be looking upto them, the real problem i seem to have is feeling comfortable around them. All im really after is to be part of a group and feel equal with all members I guess this is the inner game stuff. I will not critisize them anymore they can be my role models. I never really looked at it this way but im happy to change my thought pattern. Does anybody have any reccomendations of what to read/watch/do to feel more content with myself?
Author:  Pimpin aint easy [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:38 am ]
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Hey man don't feel bad about asking this question, it's a legitimate question and something that needs to be dealt with.

There are many ways to deal with it, but this mindset will probably help you more than a few lines or tactics:

As long as you care less about the situation than the other person than you will come off cooler.
Author:  magnum45 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:38 am ]
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thanks for your reply magnum you make some very valid points. Perhaps i ought to be looking upto them, the real problem i seem to have is feeling comfortable around them. All im really after is to be part of a group and feel equal with all members I guess this is the inner game stuff. I will not critisize them anymore they can be my role models. I never really looked at it this way but im happy to change my thought pattern. Does anybody have any reccomendations of what to read/watch/do to feel more content with myself?
David D's Man Transformation DVD cost me 400 bucks. Worth every penny.

You should also probably set a goal in your life and accomplish it. Something other than women. Like playing a sport until the end of a season or learning to build a model airplane. Then maybe you will feel better about yourself. Those alphas will push buttons it's true. You got to get solid.

P.S. I didn't really mean you werent a complete human being. I was kind of joking.
Author:  #1 Jish [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:10 am ]
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magnum perhaps the way that I word things makes it sound like I'm not content with who I am. I can assure you that I am, just my main problem is feeling comfortable around other guys, i know what my issue is and I'm trying to deal with it. I did join this forum to learn about girls but it brings out new problems to focus on once I acheived this, thankyou for your advice about the DVD i will watch it
Author:  magnum45 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:51 pm ]
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when you are ready come back and we can talk more. You need to work on your perception.
Author:  Snyper3xs [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:04 am ]
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Dude there are always gonne be Alpha males and amogs n shit. If thats not you then that an't you. Don't go making yourself something you not. Just be happy with who you are.

All you gotta do is learn how to deal with other peoples shit. That it. You don't gotta me alpha or tough to deal with it, just don't take peoples shit. Be smart about it. Most people who give people shit or make people feel uncomfortable are chumps anyways, not worth the time. You gotta figure out whether or not they are being wankers or you just feel uncomfortable inside yourself. Have confidence in yourself and how you think. fuck what some alpha chump thinks.

Plus Chicks can definalty pick up on all that shit. They'll figure out if a dude if being a wanker or not, well before you do. Just don't look like it effects you and be confident. Then eventaully you'll get the hang of it and it won't be an issues. Remeber that PUA encourages people be Alpha. Some people are not alpha and are quick to give people shit to try and get that status. Fucking weak.

I always give people a fair and even playing feild chance intally. Then when I start seeing that there being chumps I flick and swtich and go to mental war with them. At then end of the day you just gotta be the better man.

Peace.
Author:  Foxtrot 5 [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:01 am ]
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If the girl is paying attention to you and not him, he doesn't even matter. This means you higher valued then him. So what do you do? Just ignore what he says and concentrate on her.

If he's in the group and conversation trying to be a douche. I would concentrate on game. If he doesn't quit I'll address him and say something like "yea, bro.... totally" or something like that. AMOGs hate that shit.
Author:  magnum45 [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:17 pm ]
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If the girl is paying attention to you and not him, he doesn't even matter. This means you higher valued then him. So what do you do? Just ignore what he says and concentrate on her.

If he's in the group and conversation trying to be a douche. I would concentrate on game. If he doesn't quit I'll address him and say something like "yea, bro.... totally" or something like that. AMOGs hate that shit.
awesome
Author:  Rune [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:26 pm ]
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I read this, then I read Magnum's postings.

...Ego. ..."Alpha Males". ...Winning, or losing.

Ok, I pose this question.

You say one should LEARN from alpha males, and not consider them an equal...

...why should I give a shit about them? If I want a girl, and they're going for her too, and they'll own me and crack at my reputation just to get it in, why shouldn't I just crack a fucking chair over his head and make him look like a bitch?
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:32 am ]
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Rune.

The answer to your question is simple. There are different stages of maleness... Like the terrible beta male.

The real beta male is not even worth caring about in the eyes of an AMOG, you arent on the scale so dont bother.

A recovering beta male feel the need to confront the AMOG and do just what you say. Fighting his way to the top until its stop. Normally because there is an AMOG you cannot handle.

A real alpha male do not even care about AMOGs. They are equals at best and lower than you at their worst. So. Basically the way an alpha treats a beta.

When two alphas meet and its not clear who the leader is, there will be some tension.

The one who takes the first step and try to show dominance will lose. Because he feels most threatened.

Bear this in mind.


For the OP.

You say that a big problem is that the AMOGs dont consider other peoples feelings (yours I assume) and walk all over them. So, that is not gonna change. You got two choices, either raise your value or keep being treated like you always have been.

If you just wanna be another guy the second alternative is fine. But if you wanna be a PUA, as in a guy who is good with women... You gotta change your social shyness into social supercharge. You gotta learn, there is no way around it.
Author:  chickentika [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:52 am ]
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sound advice ezo, jish you should defes check out that dvd magnum sugested aswell it will help you alot with your game, i would also recomend Mystery Method, you can just get the ebook using a torrent.

MM and david d's stuff will help you soooo much with your game which may improve your confidence. The way you get to the stage were you genuinely dont care about other AMOG is through gaining self confidence there are many other ways you can do this but improving your game is definately 1.
Author:  chickentika [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:54 am ]
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jish im gonna pm you some links to some of mysterys videos, they improved my game more than i counld imagine, hope they help u too.
Author:  Herne [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:03 am ]
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Remember back a few years ago there was this Alpha 6'4 built like a brick shithouse had girls throwing them selves at him all the time.

My friends and I were full of envy and jealousy and hate for him

until a couple of months went by

And we found out that he couldnt get an erection unless he was wearing a pair of womens stockings
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