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Author:  tega123 [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:05 pm ]
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Hi im a pretty good looking fella,i have a strong natural personality..but i noticed that i can only get 1 out of 10 girls intrested in me ? is that a normal rate?

i read yesterday that regardless how good you think you are your personality type will only attract certain type of women. in order to get more girls you would have to read thier mind and found out what type they want then adjust your game/style to match thier needs.

does that mean styles like mystery method etc only really have a 10-20% success rate??
Author:  Trent Steel [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:16 pm ]
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Hi im a pretty good looking fella,i have a strong natural personality..but i noticed that i can only get 1 out of 10 girls intrested in me ? is that a normal rate?

i read yesterday that regardless how good you think you are your personality type will only attract certain type of women. in order to get more girls you would have to read thier mind and found out what type they want then adjust your game/style to match thier needs.

does that mean styles like mystery method etc only really have a 10-20% success rate??
Hey Tega, what's up?

A couple of things...
First, there is no set rate of success for each method; the way I look at it, some work better for certain people than others. For instance, Mystery Method was the first method I learned. However, I didn't like using it to a point that much, because it was MUCH to "acting" based for me. I'm an enthusiastic guy and I'm good thinking on my feet. Therefore, the concept of memorizing little vignettes and lines didn't mesh with who I was. Additionally, I felt that MM prepackaged me as a Mystery clone. I still use some basic guidelines from MM, and I still use Mystery's tips and pointers. However, I could never game as a diehard MM follower. Long story short: maybe MM is not the right method for you. Is that what you've been using? And have you tried a more improvisational game? The problem with me is that I cannot be nearly as fun, interesting or enthusiastic if I'm using trite material.

Also, I don't believe that your personality type can attract just one type of woman. True, you SHOULD find out what type of woman you want and then try to attract that type. However, I find it easier to work with the mindset that my methods and styles can be used to attract ANY woman, not just one type. Remember this. If you don't you might be wondering about it subconsciously, and that can make you exhibit non-Alpha tendencies, due to insecurity.

Also, where are you going for these approaches? Are you running club game, day game, etc.?

In order to increase your success rate keep a couple of pointers in mind:
1) Mystery Method isn't for everyone; you might want to try a more improvisational game
2) You can attract any woman. Believe it.
3) Taylor your game to your location (club vs coffee house)
4) When you approach, keep your confidence level high.
5) Use false time constraints. They help you to keep your value and appear non-threatening.
6) IMPORTANT: What you say is probably less than half of pick-up. More important are body language and passing yourself off as desirable through your interactions with people other than your target (owning the room, using an entourage, etc.)

Hope I could help :)
Author:  Ezo [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:11 pm ]
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No matter what method you use you will always win some and lose some. There is no way around it.

Hopefully though you can start choosing the reason for failure. When you are an AFC you lose some because you are doing something wrong out of stupidity. As a PUA, hopefully, you lose some because you do something wrong because you are not interested enough.

If a girl isnt interesting enough dont feel bad if you go for the next. That is what girls do and they expect us to do the same.
Author:  tega123 [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:16 pm ]
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it really pisses me me off when i get the girls number i call her we have a great time on the phone then when i suggest a date she says she is busy. then eventually she shows up on a date unintrested and the thing goes no further

i use no specific method im more natural through experience. i simply like to walk up to a girl anywhere and start talking and having fun. i have problems reading thier body language tough. i have generally found average to decent looking women intrested in me. and the ugly ones wich i stay away from offcource! girls in nightclubs and bars always turn me down for some reason. so i stick to schools or day game

the hb9 or 10s usualy tend to have no intrest in me maybe its becouse of my personality but i really dont care.

ps:i had a date last week and we had a amazing time but the girl says she wants a nice guy for a long term relationship :roll: she suggested that we have a open relationship but i rejected and said something like this instead:lets just be friends


im currenty sleeping with a few girls but im looking for something more solid long term. i dont have a girlfriend and thats what i want.
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:25 am ]
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It really will take a long time to internalize any kind of game plan or method. It takes even longer to research, and field test to find out what works for you specifically. The mystery method is a GREAT method for example, but the only person it truly is PERFECT for is Mystery himself. As a PUA, you need to make sure you're doing your part in being active in the process of pick up, and essentially create a style that is unique to you. We all, or at least I love and don't mind letting people use my material, and love trying other peoples material. But I don't use a single Method. I've read many books, and methods, and psychology books, and really just found things that work for me. and it's great for me, but might not be for you.

This process won't happen overnight either. It took me about 2 years to really internalize my game, and while it was getting to that point.. I would probably say that my success rate was about 10-20% as well.

The most important thing is to keep seeking out theories, and material, and keep going out and gaming. Because even failing is a good thing, as you now know that what you just did, to not do again. and you are one step closer.

But at any stage in the game, there are going to be girls that just don't dig you. It happens. Even to the guru's like mystery and style.

You're fine.. Just keep gaming!
Author:  Nesho [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:39 am ]
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David D said that for every 10 girls you meet, roughly 2 are interested in something romantic.
Author:  DonPua [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:51 pm ]
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Well, according to Mystery himself he can only get 3 #'s out of 12 approaches. That's a success rate of 25%. Anyway, it actually doesn't matter. If you want to get women, you have to do something. If your rate is 0.0001 % that only means that you have to approach even more. As Mystery says, it is all about statistics.
Author:  FlabbaJabba [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:51 am ]
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MM is ok, however Gambler's techniques on natural game are much easier to adapt to you and your personality. Using natural game you can pretty much just be yourself, but use body language, confidence, negs etc to aid you in picking up a girl.

I see natural game as adapting yourself and your personality to be a lot more attractive to women. MM to me seems far too "fake" and it doesn't really seem like you're being yourself.

Good luck, as you get better I think you'll end up with more #s
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:32 pm ]
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A "success rate" is a very outcome-oriented mentality. Every time you actually approach a girl you find attractive, you've succeeded. The further forward you move the interaction, the better you've done. The only "failure" is not approaching.
Author:  Nyseto [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:24 pm ]
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It is possible to get ANY girl attracted to you except for maybe...little girls or grandmas because they have obscured views of you due to their ages. No matter what, you can always push a girl's attraction buttons which make HER fire that attraction back at you. The problem is right after you push her attraction buttons, there are several things that may interfere. These things are usually "logic-based" things that only make sense consciously. For example, her religion. It makes sense to her logically that she can do this and that only, but deep down inside to the very center of how nature created her, she feels attracted to you.

Many say to not spend your time on just one girl or get oneitis. This actually comes from the fact that that certain interference that makes the girl "block" her attraction towards you, may take a long time to overcome whether she has a boyfriend, needs to be convinced about her religion, parents, etc. So spending time on multiple girls is all about shortening your time in getting a girl. Although some other rewards come with that because you gain more experience, and the chances of you caring too much early on are decreased dramatically.
Author:  DonPua [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:42 pm ]
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Oh c'mon. You can never get all the girls. Your succes rate is always gonna be low. On some other forums I had discussion with guys who claim to be great PUA's with high succes rates. But in fact they all open sets that throw them IOI's. I asked them to do random approaches and their succes rates decreased a lot ... in fact to a very low level of 10-20 %. And some of these guys claim to look like a model. My experience is that if you want all girls to be attracted to you, 1 girls has to throw herself at your mercy in the middle of the club and the others have to see that. If that happens, then yes, your rate will suddenly skyrocket. Or you must be a celebrity ... But with just talking to girls I still have not seen a guy with a succes rate higher than 30 %.
Author:  Keksman [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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Tega,

What do you mean by success rate? If you mean FC, 10-20% isn't bad. If you mean any kind of close, that does seem low. My question though, if you're looking for a LTR, why do you care about your success rate? Granted, if you can't get a day 2, you have a problem...

All of my LTRs have actually come out of friendships, whether or not those were LJBF traps I fell into as an AFC. I could be wrong, but an FC after approaching in a club is probably not how I would start up an exclusive LTR.
Author:  DonPua [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:24 pm ]
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Tega,

What do you mean by success rate? If you mean FC, 10-20% isn't bad. If you mean any kind of close, that does seem low. My question though, if you're looking for a LTR, why do you care about your success rate? Granted, if you can't get a day 2, you have a problem...

All of my LTRs have actually come out of friendships, whether or not those were LJBF traps I fell into as an AFC. I could be wrong, but an FC after approaching in a club is probably not how I would start up an exclusive LTR.
Or you are the best pickup artist in the world, or you are a celebrity, because Mystery's succes rate for any kind of close was 25 %.
Author:  Keksman [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:57 am ]
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Tega,

What do you mean by success rate? If you mean FC, 10-20% isn't bad. If you mean any kind of close, that does seem low. My question though, if you're looking for a LTR, why do you care about your success rate? Granted, if you can't get a day 2, you have a problem...

All of my LTRs have actually come out of friendships, whether or not those were LJBF traps I fell into as an AFC. I could be wrong, but an FC after approaching in a club is probably not how I would start up an exclusive LTR.
Or you are the best pickup artist in the world, or you are a celebrity, because Mystery's succes rate for any kind of close was 25 %.
I don't know MM all that well, since what I've seen/read didn't appeal to me. But he does seem to play a numbers game... Nevertheless, 10% for any close appears low. Or maybe my success rate is artificially inflated because I haven't been in it for that long. Though a few things about me make it much easier for me than most other guys.

On a related note, I wonder if natural game has a higher success rate. A few friends of mine are naturals, haven't even heard of PU, and close just about everything in sight. Would be interested to tread lose a discussion on the topic...
Author:  Jelly [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:55 pm ]
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I know a natural who has a sucess rate of 40-50% minimum. He is not a PUA. Him and I do compete with each other tho since he's my best friend but he lives far away. We also ask each other what we did wrong and help each other out. WE debate value based game vs. seduction based game daily, taking note of our several important differences to figure out why 2 extremes both work. like eg. eye contact is polar opposites, yet both work bc of course the confidence is there

His game is almost Value based game exclusivley. He makes girls want to posess him by just showing he's the top dog. He AMOG's everyone even the girls through cocky/witty/body language all together.

I can vouch for him but his weakness is he needs to have a group around him to steal all their value from. just simply a group leader, and DLV's everyone to the ground even women.
but a very high sucess rate nontheless
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