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Author:  mymeowcat [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:55 am ]
Post subject:  Befriending the room BACKFIRES!
So I go to my hiking club's social gathering at a sports pub and I befriend the guys first...this is pretty standard...provides social proof ect.

BUT then I open on HB and within seconds one of the AFC guys I befriended cuts in on me and goes on endlessly about all sorts of AFC convo stuff!! It was like as if he was too scared to open her himself but then when I open --- he jumps in and would NOT stop!

HB got bored and eventually left!
Author:  DjTriggz [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:44 pm ]
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Yes that really did backfire on you, it seems that if this guy is the type who is too scared to open a set himself hes not really the type you should be befriending. Like its way better to befriend some1 like the bouncer inside or something than some dude who is waiting for girls to talk to him
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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I think you actually did the right thing by befriending the guys.. Keep doing that and it will pay off..

It's just luck of the draw if they're going to be retarded or not.. That is an uncontrollable factor, but better to have him ramble on about some BS, than him get his panties in a bunch and try to beat the shit out of you.

What you CAN do, is no matter what the newly befriended AFC's do, ALWAYS lead the convo.. If this guy comes in and starts talking about.. (Whatever AFC's talk about), Shut him out. really simple you've already befriended him, he won't turn on you that fast. plus, thats a DHV because you are leading the interaction instead of taking the backseat to what he's trying to spout off.

Make sense?
Author:  Jav [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Befriending the room BACKFIRES!
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So I go to my hiking club's social gathering at a sports pub and I befriend the guys first...this is pretty standard...provides social proof ect.

BUT then I open on HB and within seconds one of the AFC guys I befriended cuts in on me and goes on endlessly about all sorts of AFC convo stuff!! It was like as if he was too scared to open her himself but then when I open --- he jumps in and would NOT stop!

HB got bored and eventually left!
Why didn't you lead the conversation, if anyone is to blame it's you for not changing the subject and leading the interaction.

Sounds like the AFC dude has a stronger frame than you
:P
Author:  mymeowcat [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:13 pm ]
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I tried changing conversation topics but he just kept jumping back to the same AFC stuff like asking questions, finding commonalities ect.

I even threw in negs and teased him about his appearance ect but he was determined and just kept plowing.

Usually if you have already hooked the girl --- the girl will blow him off. But I not just got 1 minute into my A2 attraction stuff and this guy pops in...the girl was visibly bored and uninterested but he just kept going at it and didn't pick up on her BL! The girl was just being polite and that just fuelled his fire!

Note that I didn't really befriended any of the guys much since I don't want to waste much time before getting to the girls and sarge. Also "leading the interaction" can work but unless it gets into the topic of "You" and stays there...I don't see how I can truly control the interaction when there is a determined drunk AFC dedicated to running his threads.

In cases where there are standing sets -- it is easier for the girl to move off and then I can re-engage but everyone was seated in reserved tables at the pub.


I was hoping someone here can think of some kind of immediate extraction routine or instant isolation thing.
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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Why did you neg the AFC obstacle? you don't need to tease/AMOG him, you just need to lead.

As you progress in your skills as a PUA you will be able to do this much easier.

It does sound like this AFC, (AFC or not) had a stronger frame.
Author:  RuleBreaker [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:31 pm ]
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I agree with the idea of continuing to game the guys. Every once in a while you're going to get some newb with Asperger's feeding off your social energy.

When this happens to me, I try and get myself physically closer to my target, so as to make us look like we are on a team. This is easiest to do when you're talking next to a wall or something, just put your shoulder to the wall and face her. This gives the perception that he is intruding on your conversation without having to be rude, and if you convey the idea of "Why is this guy being so weird?" through facial expressions or the ubiquitous "Hey, do you wanna go grab a drink/some punch/cake?" you can get her alone again and have a little story to talk about. "Wow, that wasn't awkward at all," or something like that to follow up.
Author:  mymeowcat [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:59 pm ]
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or the ubiquitous "Hey, do you wanna go grab a drink/some punch/cake?" you can get her alone again and have a little story to talk about. "Wow, that wasn't awkward at all," or something like that to follow up.
Now this I kinda like :D I tried the anti-AMOG stuff but he just ignores what I say and just keeps plowing as if it were just him and her! This guy was not rude or anything --- just a determined AFC!

Instead of grabbing drink, I was thinking more like pool. The only problem is ifshe sucks at pool and doesn't want to play it. I was thinking something like leaving the scene to goto washroom and then coming back telling her about some great painting/decoration the pub has up and get her to have a look at it and run a standard opinion opener about the painting or decoration...etc.
Author:  The Jock [ Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:18 pm ]
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Not sure if leaving at that point would have been the right thing to do.
One it may look like he is driving you out and DHV him.
Two he could be a hustler PUA and bring out his A game when you are gone!!
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:32 am ]
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yeah leaving, or a possible failed bounce wouldn't have helped. your only hope would be to out frame him, and take control of the convo.
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