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Author:  Napalm [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:05 am ]
Post subject:  Tired of failure and standing by myself choding in clubs
I've been at this for over 6 months now. 6 Month's I've been practicing game. Almost every night I've spent approximately 2 hours studying this shit, everything; RSD, Mystery Method, David DeAngelo, Pickup101, Mehow, Natural Art of seduction. It's not working.
I can see it working, I can see all of you are having great success with this. I can see all of the people around me that I go sarging with having great success to. Yet it never happens that way for me. I approach more sets than everyone else, work on this more than everyone else, go out more than everyone else (minimum 4 nights per week) yet they all are having much more success than me.
I've no idea where I am going wrong. I've greatly improved everything, my confidence (I've absolutely no fear approaching), my conversation skills, my body language and voice tone. But to what end? Nothing is working and I'm starting to think this is a game that not everybody can play.

The guys I go sarging with are encouraging: "You're doing it all right man, it was just her, it must have just been her". Yet it can't be. Not each and every time. If each time I sarge, I'm getting it right, then how come I am not hooking anybody at all. The longest I can stay in sets is about 10 minutes, at most and then I get a blow out or a sense that they really are not interested in me.

I'm thinking that this game works for those who maybe have at least average looks. This is not the case for me, I'm pretty much very repulsive. So maybe I should be trying something else? Obviously this stuff doesn't work for someone like me.

I realise this whole thread is whiney and 'wussy' and AFC and everything. But, I dunno what I hope to happen, maybe some mPUA will read this and take pity, maybe post some great words of advice that will help and inspire me to plow through in the hopes that it will get better. Because, as it stands at the moment, I'm seriously considering quitting this whole game.
Author:  RamboBlack [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:17 am ]
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It's your mentality man. I havn't been at this for six months, this is literally my 2nd month is the game all of my stats are below. I've talked to 170 women and got no lays it's a slow progression man. These MPUA's have sooo much field experience that they can go into the field see a girl and predict their entire lives. I would know cause I see myself doing it sometimes. Every girl isn't ment to f*** man, and the game is different for everyone, your have to find YOUR way. Not Mystery's, not Mehow's, or anyone else they just offer the tools. Find your way and it takes more than 6 months; I'm no where near there. Obviously your not as confident as you say you are if you say you look repulsive. If that is in your mentality, girls will pick up on that. They AREN'T like us, they pickup on FEELINGS and ALL the things we say! Girls aren't going to lay repulsive guys man unless they are in the profession of laying anyone, and those girls you wouldn't want anyways. Keep going out in the field and develop real confidence about WHO you are. When you know who you are then the Game will be natural. Things aren't working out for you now because your pulling unnatural game.
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:59 am ]
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I have average looks, I'm in shape, but my face is.. awkward looking, big nose, beady eyes... not attractive.

It took me about 2 years to internalize everything that makes the "Game" work. Even though I had been able to in some random cases attract a girl here and there before being introduced into the community, I had VERY minimal success for about 5-6 months. Thats encouraging that you are taking the time to read and study all of the material.

Here is what I would suggest..

Keep Reading, keep gaining information, but Every human is different, SO. as a proficient PUA, it is your job to take the information, and create your own personal PUA style.

All of us have different attributes and talents. What are yours? How can you use those? How can you trade out bits and pieces of info for the stock info from Mystery, david D, and the others, and replace it with more personalized bits of you.

Attraction is not a choice, and remember: it's not the girl, it's the process. keep it up, and pay careful attention.. Adapt, you should be able to pretty easily see what does and doesn't work. and it WILL fall into place. I promise
Author:  LEPRECHAUN [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:40 am ]
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I'm here to encourage you bro...

As I'm sure alot of us have done this before, I suggest going to clubs that are not
in your area code, or city, and find some 5's or whatever just so you can get yourself
a piece of tail. Once you get a few lays under your belt, the chicks will pick up on
your "vibe" and know that you have had sex with some chicks. So you're not some
dweeb trying to pick them up.

After you have some lays under your belt, you will instantly feel a sense of...
"DAMN!!! I feel great..." you will have confidence in yourself even though the chicks
that you just boned a few nights ago were not 10's or whatever.

In order to get the confidence and not go into sets "needy" (chicks pick up on this),
you must have some "recent" lays, so you're basically going into sets with the attitude
"I DON'T NEED YOU, I DON'T WANT YOU, I'M HERE TO TALK FOR A FEW THEN BAIL."

If you have to, have a chick that you can get laid from on call so you can go do
her before you go out so you're not "wanting" anything from the chicks you are
approaching that night.

You also might want to think about finding a female friend (friends sister, cousin
or whatever) to be your PIVOT girl. A PIVOT, if you're not aware, is a chick that
comes over to you while you're in a set and acts like she is very interested in you
but in return, also TALKS YOU UP to the girls in the set.

Having a PIVOT greatly increases your chances of getting the girl that you want,
or it just helps you get more into the set.. because, here you have a girl (looks good)
who "likes you" (acting) and is also talking you up to the group. See how it works?

** I do believe this would be the best thing for you to try right now before asking for
anymore advice.

USING PIVOTS AND WHY IT WORKS...

Basically, how this works is, most chicks will find you more attractive and get
jealous when you are already with a chick than when you are not.

If you are going to the same place all of the time then it is a good idea to meet up
with girls and hang in a group. Have you ever noticed how girls pay you obvious
attention when you are with a girl? If girls see you with other girls it makes the
world of difference. They all of a sudden want to know you. They become a lot
easier to start up a conversation with once they have seen you around girls. It's
as though you become a prize to them to see if they can manipulate you into their
web. They want to see if they can lure your thoughts into theirs thus winning out
over the girl you are with. Girls are very bitchy and competition between them is
played with a completely different set of rules than men. They also feel safe giving
you "FUCK ME EYES" because they know they can tease you and you probably
won't approach them. I think sometimes they are living out a fantasy being as
forward as they choose to be with guys who are supposedly taken. They know
they are being tarty but the beauty of it is that they know no-one will ever find
out. If girls know in their minds you will not tell anyone about having sex with
them that night then you are half way there if you have the girl interested in you.
Author:  DonPua [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:45 pm ]
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I do think looks matters. But all the rest is important too. Now, my advice for you should be to change your looks. I am not saying plastic surgery but just the way you are dressed. Clothes are very important. If you can dress yourself up in such a way that you convey an interesting personality, you become very attractive to women. I am just an average looking guy and without game I have moderate succes. But one day I decided to wear a white shirt, big sun glasses and a big hat. Suddenly all girls were chasing me in every bar I entered. And they couldn't even see my face properly with those big sunglasses and big hat. You don't have to look like Brad Pitt or Johny Depp to attract women. You have to have a certain style. I am not saying you should go out peacocking like hell in order to get attention. But try to find a style for yourself that makes you look interesting. Just before you go out, you have to be able to look into the mirror and think that you look really COOL. Women don't respond that much on how handsome your face is. They respond on how COOL you look. If you go out dressed like a regular chump and you aren't handsome then you make things more difficult for yourself. Try to cover your unattractiveness under a COOL PERSONALITY CONVEYING OUTFIT.
Author:  InsiderTrading [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:32 am ]
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I do think looks matters. But all the rest is important too. Now, my advice for you should be to change your looks. I am not saying plastic surgery but just the way you are dressed. Clothes are very important. If you can dress yourself up in such a way that you convey an interesting personality, you become very attractive to women. I am just an average looking guy and without game I have moderate succes. But one day I decided to wear a white shirt, big sun glasses and a big hat. Suddenly all girls were chasing me in every bar I entered. And they couldn't even see my face properly with those big sunglasses and big hat. You don't have to look like Brad Pitt or Johny Depp to attract women. You have to have a certain style. I am not saying you should go out peacocking like hell in order to get attention. But try to find a style for yourself that makes you look interesting. Just before you go out, you have to be able to look into the mirror and think that you look really COOL. Women don't respond that much on how handsome your face is. They respond on how COOL you look. If you go out dressed like a regular chump and you aren't handsome then you make things more difficult for yourself. Try to cover your unattractiveness under a COOL PERSONALITY CONVEYING OUTFIT.
All of the advice so far has been great but this may be the best. I know alot of guys with no sense of style. Blue Jeans and a regular t-shirt dont exude coolness. Gotta get a little flashy. Add a vest, fedora and other interesting garments but dont look like you tried hard. Make it come off natural. Ugly guys with an interesting style and a little confidence can always get girls.
Author:  StreetLight [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:32 am ]
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I think that maybe you use too much canned material, and think of the end result too much.

What are you talking with this girls about, are YOU an interesting person.
What makes YOU stand out from the crowd.
Or even not stand out, but what are youre opinions, what subjects interest you.

Just talk, enjoy there company and they will enjoy yourse, and you won't even notice how all of a sudden you get laid

If you won't put anything from yourself girls will see youre just trying to get in their pants, and you won't (get in their pants I mean). There are enough of UGLY AFC that have GF, how?.. They were real.

If you can be REAL using the switches an knowledge you have then VUALLA youre a PUA.
Author:  mrcoffee999888 [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:03 am ]
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Yeah, all great advice.

I'll reiterate, Don't USE a method... Use the information, and the theories, and frames.. and apply them to your situation. Be YOU, with a wealth of information and techniques that EVERY girl would want to meet and S on your D...

Keep going, and adapt. Every time you fail, you learn something about what doesn't work. So even failing is a good thing .. Take it all in, and keep trucking...

Give it 2 years. I can promise in the long run it will be worth it!
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On another note, Depending on how dedicated you are to this area of your life being taken care of. There are factors that are controllable, and uncontrollable.

What I mean by that is, physically speaking, especially for men, it's relatively easy to look average, and as we know physical appearance is not an end all to pick up.

I have kind of an ugly face.. There is nothing I can do about that :-/ But that doesn't mean I don't always have it clean, groomed, and clear.

I have retarded shaggy hair with an obscene amount of cowlicks that prohibit almost any hairstyle from working.. (it's a medical mystery).. But that doesn't mean i can't keep it short, and normal looking, and always staying on top of it.

I'm kind of scrawny, but that doesn't keep me from working out as much as i can to stay toned and build as much muscle as i can to stay in shape.

if your teeth are messed up, and you don't have money for braces, that doesn't mean they can't always be clean and white.

you get the picture...

Use this opportunity as a chance to really reach into the realm of not only pick up, but self improvement. I know i did exactly this, and I couldn't be any happier right now. Keep us updated on your progress, and we are all here to help!
Author:  Smartbomb [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:16 pm ]
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If you're not having good luck in one particular scenario, change it up. Try a shopping mall instead of the night club. Personally, I despise night clubs and regardless of how much I try to act like I'm having a good time and being the LOTP I'm just not happy in that setting and I think girls pick up on it. I don't go to night clubs much anymore - I'm practicing in bookstores, the supermarket, and upscale restaurants with a good bar that attracts classy HBs
Author:  saqchek [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm ]
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Here is a suggestion. Stop going to bars to pickup women. Go to have fun. Getting laid is very dependent upon your social circle. Make friends, get a social circle going and things will come. Stop focusing on the right or wrong things to say to the group, and get in, run your gambit and jump out. Have their friends meet your friends and continue from there. Arrange social gatherings with your new friends you meet (hey jill, we are getting together for drinks tonight, how about you and your gang meet us out and have some fun!!) or hookup with them in places they are going to be in.


I've worked in bars and I've been around women my whole life. I can't stress the importance of having a high quality social circle to be able to pull women. Get the social circle, and the women will come. Don't try the reverse.
Author:  WALMART VOODOO [ Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:34 pm ]
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stop waiting around for something amazing to happen and do something. ask one girl for her phone number every day and tell her its cause you think its cute. your not a robot.
Author:  Napalm [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:01 pm ]
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Thank you for all of your replies.
I've decided to keep at it. Also, I think that I will put everything else I have learnt kind of on the shelf and use Neil Strauss book "The Rules of the Game" for the next 30 days.
I feel that even if this does nothing for my game, it'll be an achievement just to be able to say I had successfully gone through it and though I doubt I can beat the challenge (getting a date in 30 days) it's definitely worth a shot. I'm thinking of doing this mostly during day-game. If anyone has gone through this before, would you say that it is better to do this during day or night game? Or even a mixture of the two on separate days?

Also if anyone has gone through it then please share your experiences with me.
Thank you all for the support you've given me, I hope to be able to post some interest field reports soon which don't end with "... and then I walked 4 miles home, alone, rejected and depressed."
Author:  Napalm [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:12 pm ]
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Thank you for all of your replies.
I've decided to keep at it. Also, I think that I will put everything else I have learnt kind of on the shelf and use Neil Strauss book "The Rules of the Game" for the next 30 days.
I feel that even if this does nothing for my game, it'll be an achievement just to be able to say I had successfully gone through it and though I doubt I can beat the challenge (getting a date in 30 days) it's definitely worth a shot. I'm thinking of doing this mostly during day-game. If anyone has gone through this before, would you say that it is better to do this during day or night game? Or even a mixture of the two on separate days?

Also if anyone has gone through it then please share your experiences with me.
Thank you all for the support you've given me, I hope to be able to post some interest field reports soon which don't end with "... and then I walked 4 miles home, alone, rejected and depressed."
Author:  Smartbomb [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:05 am ]
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I'm glad to see that you're still willing to stay in it, but frankly my friend your attitude sucks. This is not a homework assignment or final exam that you keep getting back with low marks. This is how you live your fucking LIFE. So if you want to live your life as a loser and a sad sack, then fine - just go off and kill yourself. If you want to take charge of your life and be a fucking MAN, then kick off the piss poor attitude and go out there like every woman in the world is your prize, take what is yours, and just not give a shit about the details.

The reality here is that you ARE a sexual object, women WILL desire you if you display CONFIDENCE and communicate STRENGTH even if you are not a Calvin Klien underwear model. You might need to find a look for you that works with your body shape and features in order to catch the attention of higher value females. Other people can help you with that and DON'T be afraid to ask for objective feedback from someone who's opinion you value but who is not a potential sex partner. These are the only things you can ask for help changing. The rest comes from INSIDE your HEAD and so long as you keep telling yourself you are a failure, you will be. YOU are a MAN and by sheer virtue of the plumbing attached to your body you DESERVE to fuck every woman on this planet with NO EXCEPTIONS.
Author:  R X [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tired of failure and standing by myself choding in clubs
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I can see it working, I can see all of you are having great success with this. I can see all of the people around me that I go sarging with having great success to. Yet it never happens that way for me. I approach more sets than everyone else, work on this more than everyone else, go out more than everyone else (minimum 4 nights per week) yet they all are having much more success than me.
Don't worry about other people having more success than you. If they're getting laid good for them, it doesn't affect you. Keep your focus internal by focusing on your own game and analysing what you're doing well and what you're doing wrong. The next time you go out you can iron out what you were doing wrong and you will have more success. Regardless of if you get laid or not, you should see this as a succcess because you have improved.
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