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Author:	PeteNana15 [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:	I am unreal at opening!
I am unreal at opening, i can go up and run any routine etc.. My problem is once i get passed that initial stage I run out of things to say. I have been at this site for a long time now and have read a lot of good stuff. Maybe im not taking it in very well or cant remember but there comes a time where you cant use everything on the site and have to use your own personality and that where i fail.. Im guess i would say im not very interesting at shy.. I would like any advice from anyone who has been in the same situation as me and has succeeded.. Thanks!

Author:	Human Freak [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:24 pm ]
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That kind of happened to me aswell a while back. I've been reading so much openers and approach-game that i didnt know what to do after that. What i did was to watch videos of PUA-masters (i am extremely fresh) in field (a lot of them are avaliable for free) and break down what they talk about (take notes, look at it from a different angle to get complete picture). One of videos with Mystery made my breakthrough. One of the keys he uses is that he..talks..pretty..slow..compared..to people with less game. It's his style, he is so good that he knows immidiatly if she is interested. Try to work on you language, don't be a dancing monkey (i had that syndrome in begining, i was trying to hard and my game was to weak so it sometimes was way to obvious, even for young people). Talk slowly and use untraditional words. Learn some tricks with kino-ping. It will build attraction, which basicly means that you can be more personal and create a bond. I kind of created my own map (mixed the theiry of big guys together so it fits my personality and how i behaive). Try and see how it turns out. Good luck. Human Freak.

Author:	PeteNana15 [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:44 pm ]
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Thanks.. Yeah you make a good point. I really did worry to much about the opener and thats what i learned and practiced the most. That why i am good at that but thats where it stops. I will definitely look into those videos

Author:	mR.e [ Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:28 am ]
Post subject:	hm
an opener is not the most important thing you say later on down the line. so the fact that you can open well is good, its good to get past the first step that can be hard enough for many guys. as for continuing the convo with a set or target, i find that if im really stuck i talk to them about themselves, just a simple statement to get them to talk more so you can have time to think as well as analyze what they are saying. such as "so you seem like the shy type of girl, or is that just a good cover up for someone that likes to talk, what do you like doing in your free time?" thats just one example its very basic, there are hundreds but it shows them your interest is more then just an opinion opener and you guys can progress into a real conversation. after she talks, neg or compliment or both and this should gradually get the conversation up and going. just look for basics to talk about and lead it into a little more personal conversation. the more you find out about each other, you will have things in common as well as many new questions comments and neging possible to bring to the table mR.e

Author:	PeteNana15 [ Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:01 pm ]
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Yeah i mean i can get into a conversation but its one of those boring convos where i quickly fall into the lets just be friends kind of thing..

Author:	mR.e [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:31 am ]
Post subject:	hm
well could be a number of things, i would most likely have to analyze from seeing it or having a better description. give me and example of how a full event would go down, from the opener to..as far as you get. add the details as you go so i can try and pick wut might be happening wrong mR.e

Author:	Bormad [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:09 pm ]
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It sounds to me that you might have some inner game issues as often material can be good until a certain point when you realise you have nothing left to say. I would definetly read up about inner game in order to not put the girl on top of the platform! Remember your the prize and not her.

Author:	PeteNana15 [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:59 am ]
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Ok so heres how it would go. - Opener - general chit chat about the opener, once that dims off this is where is dies off -awkward silence - awkward small talk - she goes back to whatever shes doing

Author:	mR.e [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:59 am ]
Post subject:	ok
seems to me like you need to bring in a new topic, or have a set opener that will continue in another topic. Ex1 after the opener say "so were abouts are you from?" or "im really likin your style of clothing are you one of those girls that shops 24/7?" basically anything that just keeps it going. you want to get her to talk more then you, but throwing in your opinions will help to, so think of things you like to talk about before hand and make them into questions as well. key tho is to try and stick to girl related topics, for the obvious reason that they will have more to say about a topic a girl might know about. maybe even talk about cologne and perfume anything will do just talk Ex2 do an opener that you can talk about for longer, and link other topics to, such as "hey girls i got a question it will only take a minute i just need some advice. my friend (ex) Julie told her bf (ex) Ryan that she wants a break, so he agreed to this break. during the break she slept with one of her good friends, (ex) Spencer, who she has been close with for a while. well turns out Julie and Ryan got back together after a few days. she is worried that sleepin with her friend, will end that friend ship, what should she do?" this personally is an opener i came up with, but it was a real event that happened ha worked out good. once they say there opinions, ask them each WHY they said that. then lead the convo by saying "do your friends have these problems or are some of my friends a little crazy for doing this?" this keeps the convo going, gives you enough time to think of new topics or a way to number close, and tells you what feelings these girls have when it comes to cheating, relationships, hook ups, which can be VERY VERY helpful in the long run. keep that in mind best of luck mate any more questions feel free to ask mR.e

Author:	Crowd [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:04 am ]
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When you get into a set, people are looking for you to lead the situation. Your a ballsy random guy that just walked up out of nowhere right? They are looking to you for direction. They want to be led! In addition to the above, getting from the opening to the closing is important. You can do mental practice by running through a set start to finish by imposing responses that you've gotten from women in the past. It helps me to do this through out the day before I go out. If you cant get from point A to point F-close in your mind, then how do you expect to do it in reality? Also, two more things: 1) Rather than trying to spontaneously pull the situations out of your ass, start to pay attention to the overhead of the conversation. Develop patterns rather than routines. Patterns are helpful because they work as guidelines, sort of like an outline for a paper. Heres a great example that a friend of mine (who works for AFC Adam) threw at a couple of us community guys. A: Compliment Opener - Not a biological compliment ("You've got a bangin set of tits and ass"), but a stylistic opener. "Oh wow, your earrings match your eyes!" B: Comfort Questions - These are the same AFC questions any guy will go to in a pinch. Where do you work, what do you do, etc. Lame, boring, and bland. C: Rapport - Somewhere in the comfort questions, you should either attach to a topic or create a space for a rapport story or emotional connection. D: Sexual Escalation: After you have rapport, just test the sexual waters by talking about it (not explicitly pertaining to her). There are shortcuts here that you'll figure out after a while. I.E. Rapport/Sexual escalation: "So I have this amazing cat, but it creeps me out when it watches me have sex. Doesn't that just seem weird when that happens?" 2) There is such a thing as sexual anxiety. Maybe your afraid to sexually escalate. Usually when guys don't experience too much AA they become approach machines that are incapable of actually getting from point A to point F-Close due to sexual anxiety. Examine this, and see if this pertains to you. All you can do is work through it. Good Luck.

Author:	PeteNana15 [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:35 pm ]
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great information guys, i will work on it!

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