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Author:  bcake [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Need opinion on a girl :P

Hi

Theres a girl in a course that i go to twice a week. The problem is that i gave her the "first impression" when i was still a "shy" person; and recently i've changed (through reading the game :P, and scoring on a regular basis).

I try talking to her before class and we swap a few words. The closest thing to an IOI that shes given me is a nickname, which isn't so special in itself...more in a childish way (explained below)

I've noticed that shes tried the shit test on me several times by acting childish together with her friend (that she hangs out with 24/7) and seeing if i play along, but i haven't falled for it, instead i've just ignored them or given them weird looks.

Theres been one party where we've been together and its been enough to realize that she likes older guys because she chooses them to dance with (i'm 18, shes 18, older guys are 23+)

So the big question is: whats my next step? I'm looking for a way to kiss close.

Any suggestions highly appreciated

// B cake

Author:  Compliments [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:28 pm ]
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See the problem with this situation is she's probably already decided she'll never sleep with you based on the way you've acted around her in the past. I'm not saying you're doomed. I've been in this situation and it can be a tough one to break out of.

I'm going to say that before you even kiss close you need kino-escalation (i.e touching). If she's not even at a comfort level holding hands with you don't expect a kiss close any time soon. I would also like to add that I think you should be attracting other women, even if they are are less attractive then her. If you can do this successfully when you're around her it will raise your social value. You need to be what's considered "Pre-selected by other women"

According to Mystery,

THE VALUE ATTRACTION SWITCHES are
1) Pre-selected by other women
2) Leader of Men
3)Protector of loved ones
4)willingness to emote

All these need to be conveyed to her before she will find you attractive.

Perhaps you can try this. Since you mentioned the girl you like is always with her best friend.

Assuming you haven't been formally introduced to her friend say,

1. "Hey (insert name of girl you like) aren't you going to introduce me to your friend? That's the polite thing to do!" Be sure to say it with a big smile.

2. After she introduces you to her friend say to her friend, "you can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere." =)

3. Throw in a false time constraint and body rock.

4. Neg her. If she dyes her hair say "I really like your hair. Do you dye it?" If she says 'yes' say, "well it looks great anyway."

5. Tell them you need to get going, but you'd like a females opinion on something. Don't ask for permission. Move into an opinion opener "what do you think of women with tattoos? Hot or Not?" Whatever they answer doesn't matter. Tell them your cousin is 17 and she's about to turn 18 and she wants to get her boyfriends named tattooed on her wrist. Ask then what they think of this? Tell them that the boyfriends name is Garth or (think up a lame name).

Keep in mind body language and context is going to make or break all interactions. You have to be building comfort and rapport not creeping her out or demonstrating lower value. To do this you need to be more relaxed then them. Leaning back... Looking like you might leave if they don't keep your interest. I'd get some practice on women you don't like as much. You need to be good at this if you're trying on some girl you already like.

Make up your mind that even though you like this girl there are plenty other hotter, better suited women for you. You're not settling for her unless she proves to be worth your time.

Use this as a reference and good luck!

Here's an excerpt from the Game. This entry is written specifically by Mystery.

"Here is the basic format to all
approaches:

1. Smile when you walk into a room. See the group with the target and follow
the three-second rule. Do not hesitate—approach instantly.

2. Recite a memorized opener, if not two or three in a row.

3. The opener should open the group, not just the target. When talking, ignore
the target for the most part. If there are men in the group, focus your attention
on the men.

4. Neg the target with one of the slew of negs we've come up with. Tell her,
"It's so cute. Your nose wiggles when you laugh." Then get her friends to notice
and laugh about it.

5. Convey personality to the entire group. Do this by using stories, magic, anecdotes, and humor. Pay particular attention to the men and the less attractive
women. During this time, the target will notice that you are the center of attention. You may perform various memorized pieces like the photo routine,2 but
only for the obstacles.

6. Neg the target again if appropriate. If she wants to look at the pictures, for
example, say, "Oh my god, she's so grabby. How do you roll with her?"

7. Ask the group, "So, how does everyone know each other?" If the target is
with one of the guys, find out how long they've been together. If it's a serious
relationship, eject politely by saying, "Pleasure meeting you."

8. If she is not spoken for, say to the group, "I've sort of been alienating your
friend. Is it all right if I speak to her for a couple of minutes?" They always say,
"Uh, sure. If it's okay with her." If you've executed the preceding steps correctly,
she will agree.

9. Isolate her from the group by telling her you want to show her something
cool. Take her to sit with you nearby. As you lead her through the crowd, do a
kino test by holding her hand. If she squeezes back, it's on. Start looking for
other lOls.

10. Sit with her and perform a rune reading, an ESP test, or any other demon¬
stration that will fascinate and intrigue her.

11. Tell her, "Beauty is common but what's rare is a great energy and outlook
on life. Tell me, what do you have inside that would make me want to know
you as more than a mere face in the crowd?" If she begins to list qualities, this
is a positive IOI.

12. Stop talking. Does she reinitiate the chat with a question that begins with
the word "So?" If she does, you've now seen three lOls and can . . .

13. Kiss close. Say, out of the blue, "Would you like to kiss me?" If the setting
or circumstances aren't conducive to physical intimacy, then give yourself a
time constraint by saying, "I have to go, but we should continue this." Then get
her number and leave."

Author:  DonPua [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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Seriously, why are you focussing on this one girl ? You are way to young to get attached to 1 girl. Go game as much girls as you can now you are young. Now is the time to learn pickup for when you are older. Your succes will only grow as you get older, but if you don't learn how to pickup now, you will be very unsuccesful when you are older. So do yourself a favour and forget about this one.

Author:  lovenotsoguru [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:42 pm ]
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Its hard to change a first impression.

Author:  bcake [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:17 pm ]
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Thanks for all the help. I think i'll at least TRY my luck with her. But otherwise i see what you guys mean. However scoring isn't a problem for me anymore. It's just that shes a 10...

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