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Author:  ~Finesse [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Feeling not myself.....
Rightttt, basically, I was wondering if anyone can offer advice on this, if they've been in the situation before and how they got over it or if it ever passed....

Basically, when Im mid game, and talking to girls, negging/teasing/running diff pua tactics, I get this nagging feeling that im only saying what I am to try and get them, and it feels unnatural. I dont have this problem with opening, because naturally youre trying to hook them, bait them in n shit.
The most annoying thing [though this may be what can change it round for me] is that, when it comes to negging/playful teasing, funny/cocky all that shit, its stuff I do naturally, so Im good when running that, but the thing is, its feeling a bit shit cos im making more of a structured tactiful reason to each and every statement, as opposed to when it used to just come naturally. Willthis eventually smooth out as I incorperate it into my self, or am I gonna be stuck watching myself manipulate these feems???

[im not a stranger to manipulatig people or situations, but im fine only pulling it out when i need to, as opposed to every interaction with a person]

~Blend
Author:  Jonas_Al_Caponas [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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A couple of things,
First off, yes the feelings of unnatural game will eventually disolve and you will be and feel fine. The advice I have for midgame is really to balance your routines and and canned material with simple fluff talk.
Secondly, Avoid over-negging. This is a problem with most beginning PUA's, even myself. The way it breaks down, is you want to neg an HB10 about 3 times, and then turn it off. Replace the negs with push-pull attitude. HB8-9's need about one or two negs, and below that neg once, or not at all. You want to be cocky/funny, but overnegging makes you a dick!
Thirdly, the game is not about manipulation. Manipulation is influencing people to do something they would never do under rational thought. This game program is merely showing your good qualities and best persona to women in order to attract them. These are not made up traits implanted by gurus, the traits you imply are truely all imbedded in each of us, and this community and mind-set is built to extract that from your core and put it on the surface.

When it comes to mid-game remember to keep things light and jovial but keep them hooked on your words. Play games and ask them questions.

Cheers,
JONAS
Author:  ~Finesse [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:35 pm ]
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Ah good stuff, man.

In regards to over negging, well, its like half negging half disqualifying, I find that if im talking to girls who usually will only give me the 'hey yeah fine thanks you' and such responses, then i end up getting no response, in other words the girls who lack interest in conversing with me, when i end up negging them, or disqualifying them a few times [even if they are only like HB6s] they end up getting hooked to the convo, or rather they are now interested to converse. Before I do that though I playfully tease/mock them to try get them comfortable, then thats when i start with the negs. Strangely, it worked on a girl who ended up saying im usually always mean to her. But she tried proving herself to me etc. I think Im starting to see how it all works, or works for me. I could post a bit of the convo to get feedback on how I ran things?

Basically she said something about wanting to work for the nspcc which is where i said ''oh so you must be a caring person then'' to which [of course] she agreed with, then I went on to say how i didnt expect that of her, which basically got her trying to ask why and shit, but then i speaking in ways in which made her need to qualify herself, while hinting that maybe i could change my view on her and such.


right I'mma stop typing, its all over rambled. But the disqualification seems to work. If not for anything else it draws them into conversation which gives me oppurtunities to tease.




~Blend
Author:  Jonas_Al_Caponas [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:00 pm ]
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It sounds like you've got the mid-game down pretty solid. But I am curious how you're closing these renezvous.
I'm guessing that because of your "mock-her" personality, she might be having a hard time being open and honest to you. Maybe even making her a little too shy and reserved when around you, for fear you'll just tease her. Make sure you can keep her on the fishing line, so to speak. Neg carefully and mock sparingly.
It can be difficult to turn off your a**hole humor, and mocking personality in order for her to take you seriously and build a solid, or semi-solid attraction to you.

If you can make the connection more real for her than just a crazy lustful night, she will respond with greater enthusiasm, and maybe brag to her girlfriends about how awesome you are. And no PUA can turn down word of mouth gossip from girls and their girlfriends. ;)
Author:  Exerio [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Feeling not myself.....
Quote:
Rightttt, basically, I was wondering if anyone can offer advice on this, if they've been in the situation before and how they got over it or if it ever passed....

Basically, when Im mid game, and talking to girls, negging/teasing/running diff pua tactics, I get this nagging feeling that im only saying what I am to try and get them, and it feels unnatural. I dont have this problem with opening, because naturally youre trying to hook them, bait them in n shit.
The most annoying thing [though this may be what can change it round for me] is that, when it comes to negging/playful teasing, funny/cocky all that shit, its stuff I do naturally, so Im good when running that, but the thing is, its feeling a bit shit cos im making more of a structured tactiful reason to each and every statement, as opposed to when it used to just come naturally. Willthis eventually smooth out as I incorperate it into my self, or am I gonna be stuck watching myself manipulate these feems???

[im not a stranger to manipulatig people or situations, but im fine only pulling it out when i need to, as opposed to every interaction with a person]

~Blend
This is exactly why I don't do stacked game, nor do I do indirect game. I like being natural and direct, cause then I can feel like myself. Perhaps you should check a bit out about the natural gaming as well?

- Exerio
Author:  They Call Me Smooth [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:07 pm ]
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You really need to get the word "manipulate" out of your system.

The meaning to manipulate "to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage"


You aren't manipulating anyone. The game if played right isn't about lying to a woman. It's not about making them do something they don't want to.

As for your mid game, I can relate in the sense that opening and k-closing felt VERY unnatural to me but my mid game was on the spot. I felt like I was forcing myself to be someone I'm not but the truth is I was just conflicted with that I grew up to learn and what the game was telling me to do. Now I open any set, any time. It might not lead anywhere but it feels about as natural as my mid game feels. Give it time, it will feel natural one day.
Author:  ~Finesse [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:31 pm ]
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Quote:
It sounds like you've got the mid-game down pretty solid. But I am curious how you're closing these renezvous.
I'm guessing that because of your "mock-her" personality, she might be having a hard time being open and honest to you. Maybe even making her a little too shy and reserved when around you, for fear you'll just tease her.
Thanks, man.
Nah, you see Im a bit crafty with it, the mockigng comes in a very playful manner, and girls also naturally seem to feel they can open up to me and tell me some pretty deep stuff. So Im lucky there. But I got a load of laughs out of her, not nervous or falsely encouraging my shit type either.

Basically how I closed was roughly like this...
One of the first questions I had asked when opening was about what she'd been up to, and she mentioned clubbing etc, told me what clubs, to which i asked if "anyone decent goes there?" a very subtle attack, to which she replied her. but at the end [just before i closed] I said how there must be a lot more to her then what i realised[she agreed and tried qualifying], i followed with something like "as im getting to know you a bit better, i can see you arent as bad as i first thought *chuckle*. Perhaps we could actually get along quite well." to which she agreed. I mentioned something about next time we're both out with mates or something we should hit up one of the same clubs etc. and I closed with.... something like "I have to get going now, I hate talking round here, its difficult, is there any way we could continue conversing at another point?" ....I made sure to take myself away before the convo started to die too. She said something like "Like how? I have msn?" I said that shall do for now.

I could have said something like "Yeah email, phone, whatever" But at the time I didnt think of that the only thing i could think was to directly ask, which may have been too needy i dont know. So i flopped a bit there. and didnt ask for number. But got an email/msn so yeah.

I need to approach some chicks that dont know of me though. This was just practise, and dont get me wrong, I'll see how far I can take this too. But I need to game on some totally new faces, Im just not getting much chance for that SPAM.

~Blend[/i]
Author:  ~Finesse [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:36 pm ]
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Quote:
You really need to get the word "manipulate" out of your system.

The meaning to manipulate "to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage"


You aren't manipulating anyone. The game if played right isn't about lying to a woman. It's not about making them do something they don't want to.
I think I need to clear the air a bit about the whole 'manipulating' thing. Right yeah, I taking on what you are all saying about it. However Im not always manipulating as such, or in the way you seem to think i mean, its more kind of, encouraging the situation, or guiding it in a direction I want. Its very sutble, but often works. Like leading conversations, aiming for a desired reaction that you can use to your advantage.

Also, in regards to natural game, I been trying to find out about that. Who/what is good to look at to help with natural game? As this seems the route best for me to take, and where id likely feel most comfortable[more myself] with.

Thanks for your responses.

~Blend
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