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Author:  Temur/Jeskai [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Chief, JSmooth and all ya'll smokers, Feedback?
So I went to Bozeman and Missoula this weekend. Bozeman was way more fun, when I get around to posting a FR, ya'll will get the picture. Anyway so I bought a Stiletto and yes I did get comments on it. So I walk into this bar after just finishing a lucky strike. THis check who sort of wanted me from back before I read the Game whatnot insults me for smelling like smoke or some shit. Now, an insult is to me just a really hard shit-test. At the time I was tired, and did not feel like dealing w/ her, whatever. Anyway, later I thought of a response to that, now this is an insult as well, but hey the neg has toequal or best that of the ST. So if a girl ever does that, make some comment about how she bought her perfume at a gas station. Seriously, if you are offended, and even if you aren't, throw something at her that has a similar effect. Always do it w/ a really gooofy smile what not. Remember, you want to put her on an emotionsl rollercoaster of sorts, going for offendee to offended. Anyway got to run, thanks to you guys and keep puffin those cancer sticks. :D
Author:  Jav [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:48 pm ]
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I never had a girl say no because I smoked.
Author:  CaptainAndypops [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:07 pm ]
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Agreed. Smoking has always worked to my advantage (except in the health area of my life, but who gives a rats arse right? :P )
Author:  Chief [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chief, JSmooth and all ya'll smokers, Feedback?
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the neg has toequal or best that of the ST. So if a girl ever does that, make some comment about how she bought her perfume at a gas station. Seriously, if you are offended, and even if you aren't, throw something at her that has a similar effect. Always do it w/ a really gooofy smile what not. Remember, you want to put her on an emotionsl rollercoaster of sorts, going for offendee to offended.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your proposed approach to that situation. That strategy is coming from a very beta and insecure frame, and girls will pick up on it very easily.

If you are actually offended by the shit test, you've already failed (generally speaking).

I was once mentoring this dude in New Orleans, and he asked me how a PUA should respond to a certain situation. I answered his question with another question, "What would a mature man do?"

Based on what you've said here, I have a feeling that you may feel a little bitter toward women, thinking that it's their fault for making you go through all this work. Remember that a real PUA acts out of genuine desire and compassion for women instead of trying to get revenge for something.
Author:  David~ [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:51 am ]
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Girls that don't smoke say I taste like an ashtray.

So as an expression of common courtesy I like to forewarn the girl by dropping itty bitty hints within the interaction.

Like this.

"I taste like an ashtray, don't bitch when we make out"

Or like this.

"I hope your drunk so you don't taste my ashtray mouth."

Or like this.

"Can I go to your place and use your mouth wash? I taste like an ashtray"
Author:  Visionxxxxxx [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:38 am ]
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sometimes you wont know whether shes a smoker or not...unless you ask.

if im planning on kissing her and KNOW she is a non smoker then i wont smoke for a while before hand. you do want her to enjoy the kiss after all..

i have never had a complaint about tasting like an ashtray but if i did i would probaly say something like (out of courtesy as david says)...'well if I had known you were a non-smoker I would probably would have skipped my last one, dont worry I doubt you'll get lung cancer from it though.'
Author:  Temur/Jeskai [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:17 am ]
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Thanks guys. I thought being an asshole would be funny and throw her for a loop, who gives a shit how she reacts just as long as you don't back down from the asshole frame once start, hahaha. Chief, I could understand how you could think that because really, if I am insulted by something like that (or anything for that matter, thank you Power of Now) that is inner game type issues, and therefore obviously beta. I honestly just saw her comment as a hard shit-test, which I figured ought be responded to w/ a neg of equal intensity. Hahaha, David~, I think I like your response the best though, "just don't tell me that I taste like an ashtray when we are making out." Good shit man. So here is another question, what do ya'll prefer, acting like an uber mature dude or an supremely arrogant/confident asshole? To me, both cases are extremely different forms of being alpha and both have a lot in common, as far as inner game goes, but may come off as totally different people.
Author:  Visionxxxxxx [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:50 am ]
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what do ya'll prefer, acting like an uber mature dude or an supremely arrogant/confident asshole?
You dont want to come across as arrogant at all. Arrogance is simply being proud in an unpleasant manner. It is just that, unpleasant. Confidence and witty humor is what youre looking for. If youre getting her to laugh then youre probably doing alright. if you dont have enough humor in your teasing and cocky remarks, you will come across as arrogant. Be playful.
Author:  Temur/Jeskai [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:15 pm ]
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Just wanted to trhow that out there, thanks vision. Unless you truly don't give a shit, don't be the arrogant asshole, however, I would advise not to completely shy away from being an asshole entirely. I consider it to be one of the many facets of my personality, that I can bring out when I choose to or when I feel the situation calls for it. Here is another question. The original point of this topic ended up being more about matching the intensity (or something like that) of the neg to that of the shit test. THat is why I recommended countering a near-insult ST w/ an insult in turn, just as long as you have a big smile on your face and laugh while you are doing it. What do ya'll think of this reasoning, now David~s response was not a neg at all and it completely flipped the of ST/insult on it's head. Am I just getting caught up in the MM lingo of "counter ever ST w/ a neg"?
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