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Author:  NaturalE [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  What if during opening she asks if you have read "the g
Ill paint a little picture first:
Was out with sarging with a few friends, we are all fairly new so getting past the approach and the opener is decent work (dont laugh! :o ).
So was out and did an opener on a 2 set and heres how it went:

After I had finished the cologne opener and got two answers:
Her: have you ever heard of "the game"?
Me: what?
Her: have you ever heard of "the game"?
Me: no, what game?
Her: its a book ok how to pickup women
Me: im not really into books... so theres a book about picking up women?
Her: yeah, i read it cos my ex boyfriend had it.
Me: Oh. why did you ask me that?
Her: what you just said when you came over is from the book (it was the cologne test)
Me: Oh crap really?
Her: yes
Me: wow. im not trying to pick you up...
Her: I didnt mean that you were...
Me: ...im just trying to find out about the colognes cos ive just moved house and trying to free up space.
Her: oh ok.
Me: look thanks for helping me with my decision.
Her: no problem.
Me: (while body rocking to leave) I better be careful about asking this, i dont want people thinking things... what was the book called?
Her: The Game, its written by Neil Strauss.
Me: Is it any good?
Her: Yeah it really is, you should read it.
Me: Hmm, I might look it up, it was really nice talking to you, have a good night.

I eject, with my dignity intact, i thought.

So anyway, for anyone to answer: has this ever happened to you? how did you handle it? what way could i have pushed forward?

I felt i had to eject to avoid saying something on autopilot that she would recognise.
your thoughts?

NaturalE
Author:  hollywoodd [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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haha dude u pulled it of pretty smoothly. not gonna lie.
i woulda kept talking to her tho.
i couldnt imagine that happening. ive heard stories of guys going into sets with guys in them and being called out like that. so i try not to use too many things i heard in The Game.
u handled it well though.
ive always thought of how to play it off by saying that i have read it.
like the first thing i read before i knew about everything was The Game cuz my friend had it. and i was reading it on a plane and one of the cute flight attendants said she read that and said it was a great book. and actually started flirting with me. but it was when i was definately not greatly experienced, so nothing great happened sadly but wutevv.
but nicely done. if you ever get caught again, God forbid that happening, keep gaming her. just try not to use more things from The Game, cuz then she will know u were lying. haha. and since u said u were new, try some of David DeAngel´'s stuff. cuz there isnt a lot of canned material for you to get caught on and its not super popular for women to read like The Game.
Author:  Jaybot [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:45 pm ]
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I would have kept going but to answer the thread title, if you don't want to get caught don't use canned material especially stuff straight out of the game etc, Make your own routines or risk getting called
Author:  Billionaire [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:48 pm ]
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You could make up your own opener questions and then ask them on Yahoo Answers. If you get a lot of responses, it could be something that will get a lot of interest when you do MM in the field. You could also look for other people's questions that have a lot of responses and get ideas from those.

For example, I asked if girls liked smooth or rough hands on a guy, and I got a lot of responses for that one, maybe cuz it's a simple question that even an airhead could answer.
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:59 pm ]
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HB: Have you ever read the game?

Ezo: Yeah, love that book! It is quite cool isnt it. However it leaves so much stuff out. Have you read it?

HB: Yeah/ a bit etc etc.

Ezo: So what did you think? SO many people read it without understanding it. Its like not a pickup handbook. Did you get as far as the conclusion? The guy gets his true love and realizes that that is what matters, the rest was just his desperate attempts to validate himself.


Yeah I know he broke up with her now... On the other hand I would not ever get caught using material from the game nowadays. Use your own material man. But first of all, understand the Game and dont see it as a rulebook. It opens the door to a new world but so far you have just seen a small part of what is out there.

Ezo
Author:  hollywoodd [ Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:38 am ]
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bingo.
Ezo said it all right there.
The Game isnt a handbook. its a story of understanding.
ive just finished reading it a second time and i got a lot more out of it than the first time.
Author:  WillDream [ Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:48 pm ]
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If you want to be cocky you could say something like.

"I have. And it seems to be working." Followed by a sly smile. And then ask her opinion on it or something, the trick is too look relaxed. If you act ashamed, you'll crash and burn, but I guess everyone knows this.
Author:  fuckpua [ Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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For all that my newbie opinion is worth, I'd say Ezo has it - develop and use your own stuff. I'm new to all this, and I know that a lot of the Mystery/Style routines just wouldn't sound right coming from my lips, not least because I'm English, and social dialogue has a different flavour to it.
Author:  [Vegas] [ Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:06 pm ]
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Quote:
HB: Have you ever read the game?

Ezo: Yeah, love that book! It is quite cool isnt it. However it leaves so much stuff out. Have you read it?

HB: Yeah/ a bit etc etc.

Ezo: So what did you think? SO many people read it without understanding it. Its like not a pickup handbook. Did you get as far as the conclusion? The guy gets his true love and realizes that that is what matters, the rest was just his desperate attempts to validate himself.


Yeah I know he broke up with her now... On the other hand I would not ever get caught using material from the game nowadays. Use your own material man. But first of all, understand the Game and dont see it as a rulebook. It opens the door to a new world but so far you have just seen a small part of what is out there.

Ezo
Yes. This is how I would have handled it. NaturalE did fine with how he handled it, but you didn't HAVE to eject. It's all a learning experience, so maybe next time if you get called out, try to run with it.

By the way, stray from canned material if you feel comfortable being impromptu... if you don't feel comfortable, go out of your element and give it a shot anyways. You have to learn somehow.
Author:  NaturalE [ Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:46 pm ]
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thanks guys,
Looking back i suppose i could have carried on but it just threw me, i never thought it would have come up, next time will be different!! :o

I will definiatly come up with some openers of my own to make things better.

I almost hope i see her again just to have a go for round 2 :D

thanks for all the inputs guys, great stuff
Author:  Halcyon [ Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:50 am ]
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I was just about to start a topic with the same title... and for the record NaturalE I think you did a good job. You should have carried on.

I went to a single night last Thursday. I had previous been to two similar events before and both times got a number closes. However, both times the HBs later sent text me saying they had met someone since buying their tickets and it had gotten serious since the singles night, sorry but you are a nice guy though etc. etc. Yawn yawn.

This time since reading the game. I thought S*d it. I went in a cowboy bay with a bolo tie, flashy shirt, suade boots and smart cords jacket. I turned heads when I walked in. One of the hosts imeadiately said to me "wow that's serious peacocking". Kind of respectful and gracuious but at the same time letting me know that he knew.

During the night a worrying large number of people asked me if I had read the game. May have been as many as five! The time that was particularly embarassing was when I was in a group and a guy said it in front of a HB. I denied it and looked convincingly blank but I just managed to lock myself out of the conversation and hand over the initiative to Mr F**ing worldy book worm. Won't make that mistake again.

Later in the night girl approached me and asked me if I'd read with a kind of teasing but respectful tone of voice. It was if she wanted to know what else I knew and what other research I'd done. Seriously guys girls are sick of ignorant AFCs, they don't want AFCs. I smiled and admitted it. We then had a nice flirty chat. I said somthing like 'yeah if I wanted to neg you I'd say "I like your dress, my friend Molly got something like that in Primark"'. She laughed and continued to buzz around me all night. Eventually she even got annoyed that I wouldn't ask her for her number (I didn't want it that badly).

Several average girls gave me suspicious looks or just wouldn't engage in conversation... at one point I was starting to think the peacocking had totally backfired... However, I have to say, I started to realise that the hottest girls there were definitely checking me out and when I approached them they were pleased. They seem to respect the fact I had the balls to look like a clown and carry it on all night. Towards the end I did gett a kiss close and a number close (definitely with the help of the "what do cows drink" question). She asked me for my name (after the kiss), I never offered it. :D

Also from two attempts I've managed to get a number close with the reality TV show opener but I'm sure if I keep using it its going to eventually get called out.

Im very interested to know other people's experiences are with this problem that may only get worse with time.
Author:  Marc [ Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What if during opening she asks if you have read "t
Quote:
Ill paint a little picture first:
Was out with sarging with a few friends, we are all fairly new so getting past the approach and the opener is decent work (dont laugh! :o ).
So was out and did an opener on a 2 set and heres how it went:

After I had finished the cologne opener and got two answers:
Her: have you ever heard of "the game"?
Me: what?
Her: have you ever heard of "the game"?
Me: no, what game?
Her: its a book ok how to pickup women
Me: im not really into books... so theres a book about picking up women?
Her: yeah, i read it cos my ex boyfriend had it.
Me: Oh. why did you ask me that?
Her: what you just said when you came over is from the book (it was the cologne test)
Me: Oh crap really?
Her: yes
Me: wow. im not trying to pick you up...
Her: I didnt mean that you were...
Me: ...im just trying to find out about the colognes cos ive just moved house and trying to free up space.
Her: oh ok.
Me: look thanks for helping me with my decision.
Her: no problem.
Me: (while body rocking to leave) I better be careful about asking this, i dont want people thinking things... what was the book called?
Her: The Game, its written by Neil Strauss.
Me: Is it any good?
Her: Yeah it really is, you should read it.
Me: Hmm, I might look it up, it was really nice talking to you, have a good night.

I eject, with my dignity intact, i thought.

So anyway, for anyone to answer: has this ever happened to you? how did you handle it? what way could i have pushed forward?

I felt i had to eject to avoid saying something on autopilot that she would recognise.
your thoughts?

NaturalE

Naahhh you had to lie and thats the reason you didnt get her number.

Her: Have you read the game?

Marc: Oh yeah, by Neil Strauss right. Its good but it doesnt work on all girls. Have you read it.

Her:yeah, i read it cos my ex boyfriend had it.

Marc: What did you think of it.

Her: Yeah its Good.

Marc: You know its good but its not like every girl would respond to those lines. I think the book was Neil Strauss journal to his personal development and being good with women so that he could find someone nice. Arent we all on a journey to find that special someone to share our thoughts and lives with.

Her: Sure/ yeah or........

This conv. opens many many many windows for multiple threads. And you could actually #close
Author:  Halcyon [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:30 pm ]
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Regarding the "cologne opener" of Neil Strauss... it think its also a useful mid game routine.

Last week I was out with a girl that I had previously got a number close from. I spent most of the evening bonding with her mates and doing my best not to give her any excess attention unless she came to me first. Later on, she came and sat next to me and I wanted to re-initiate kino without being too obvious. I ran the routine and she enthusiastically used it as an excuse to put her hand on my arms. She then went on to talk about perfume and exposed her neck so I could smell it from side to side as slowly as I liked :)
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