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| Author: | GEN4815 [ Thu May 07, 2009 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Getting out of the LJBF zone with best friend |
Here's my situation: I've recently gotten some one-itis for this girl that has been pretty much my best friend for the last 5 years or so. I'm kind of okay with having the one-itis because there aren't really any girls that I've met that compare to her, but I think it is hurting my game a little bit. She just broke up with her BF of a little over a year 2 weeks ago and says she isn't ready for a relationship. But knowing her, it wont be long before she picks somebody else up. She is meeting with a guy today and evidentially there's a little thing between them but it hasn't quite escalated yet. She says she wants to get to know him better. She has had some feelings for me before but has never been that serious. I've kind of developed a thing for her the past few months but I'm trying to figure out how to get her to think of me as more of a friend and to disarm this other guy and get her to consider me over him. I've kino escalated way more lately and she's responded for the most part. Been trying to do some push-pull stuff and try be myself, since she knows me best to build attraction. It seems to be working and it even seems like she may be mentioning other guys more lately because of her attraction to me and shit testing, etc. But it may just be friendly stuff. I'm also afraid to jump in because i don't want her past relationship fucking me and her up if something becomes serious. Anyone with experience in any of this, help would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| Author: | Giovanni420 [ Thu May 07, 2009 8:58 pm ] |
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Sup dude. Read over your case, and surprisingly it is the same as mine. I'm going to be honest with you. I apologize, but you've known her for 5 years, why hasn't anything happened then? I've known this girl for 15 years now. Known her since I was 5. Recently I devloped a little crush, but I gave it up. She would become a one itis in a second. I'm somewhat pursuing it, but I most likely will get beat out. I've accepted I can't win that battle. What I started doing what I stopped hanging out with her. We would always go to the movies, and since i work at a theater its free. Didn't call her for 2 weeks to see if anything would happen. Nothing, she txted me once saying the kid she babysitted pissed his pants. I mean I know nothing will happen in my situation, but ask her on a date man. Grab your jack hammer, and break through the friend wall. |
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| Author: | GEN4815 [ Thu May 07, 2009 9:10 pm ] |
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Quote: Sup dude. Read over your case, and surprisingly it is the same as mine. I'm going to be honest with you. I apologize, but you've known her for 5 years, why hasn't anything happened then?
No prob. Deal is, she went through some major crazy shit with like..drug rehab and stuff and I just didn't want to be a part of it. Then she transformed into a major high-value girl and I had gotten so far into the LJBF zone that I couldn't catch her at any point when she wasn't in a relationship. We're going out together next weekend, not sure how much she's taking it as something serious, cause there's been several times when we've gone out just me and her. It's the occasional escalation, but nothing serious. Main thing I'm worried about at this point now that I'm thinking about it: I can probably get her won over pretty easily, but there's some obstacles. Mostly relating to the guy she's hanging out with now and the guy she just broke up with. I'm nervous to approach because I know I don't want to get myself into shit if she still is trying to get over this guy she just dated. This is one area where I'm hesitant to let my one-itis get the best of me because that's one thing holding me back. But then there's this other guy moving in and I feel like I have to beat him to it. |
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| Author: | Memento [ Thu May 07, 2009 10:40 pm ] |
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The reason no girl has come close because your one-itis is clouding your vision. Obviously the advice I'm going to give you is to go and get over her (you do this, supposedly, by sleeping with ten girls and seeing if she is really that special after all.) This is easier said than done of course, so instead I'll give you an alternative. Two of the best seducers (in my opinion) are Mystery and Ross Jeffries, both pioneers in their field. Mystery would suggest that you use a jealousy plot line, while Ross would suggest patterning work. The jealousy plot line is where you create chemistry and sexual tension with a girl as well as kino et al, in the presence of this girl who doesn't like you as a potential suitor. By oing this, she will see you as a sexual object in another woman's eyes and this might change her frame of mind. Now, I won't go into how patterns work in detail (search the forum or google) but essentially the combination of altering states and using embedded commands/hypnotic suggestions allows you to place ideas in the heads of others. The following is one of Jeffries' patterns to turn a friend into a lover: Quote: Can I make a confession? There was a time when
Obviously this pattern must be used in conjunction with other patterns (Incredible Connection etc) as well as proper Speed Seduction technique.I thought I was in love with you. I mean, I realize now, looking back on it, that I wasn’t. It was just at that time I could IMAGINE US HAVING SO MUCH FUN, IN SO MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, and just GROWING CLOSER IN OUR MUTUAL RESPECT AND SUPPORTING AND HELPING EACH OTHER DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS. I guess I was stupid to ever THINK THAT THINGS COULD BE LIKE THAT. Hope this helps. - Memento |
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| Author: | JohnyZulu [ Fri May 08, 2009 12:49 am ] |
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I have to say that you definitely need to try to build jealousy. I would also say to use a kind of freeze-out. Maybe not total, but stop doing the just friends things you would do previously. That's what you're going to freeze out. Like Memento and the others said you need to be seen as a sexual object, not a friend. It's pretty hard to build a relationship with someone after being friends for so long. But I would say try to build jealousy by gaming another girl, DHV, and show her that you're desirable, and actually desired by another woman. Then go back and false-disqualify yourself to the girl you like, tell her you need to find her a good man. It's too bad she isn't your type, blah blah blah, then continue to DHV so she will qualify herself to you and try to fill the mold of 'your type.' Either that, or do the much easier thing and just move on. Either way, best of luck! |
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| Author: | GEN4815 [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:09 pm ] |
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Thanks for the help. I'm really trying to get into the mindset that there ARE other girls out there...but it's easier said than done. There are still many remnants of AFC-ism in me and I have alot to learn. On that note, I may have blown it last night. We were talking on AIM and she was stressing about her past relationship and wanting me to help her out (I'm REALLY nervous to get into it because of this) and I wasn't even thinking, and really didn't mean anything by it, but I went into how much better she is than him and there's a million guys who are better for someone who has the status of her. The really bad thing I said, again, not even thinking or meaning anything by it was "You deserve the best. If there's anyone in the world who deserves the best, you deserve the best." MAJOR AFC/one-itis/nice guy statement and I didn't even mean anything by it. I seriously probably would have said the same thing if I didn't have a thing for her. Deal is she replied with a "That's flattering..." and it created a very awkward moment. Today it may have been just me but she seemed more indifferent to me in general. I'm afraid she may have a hunch that I'm interested and she isn't interested enough right now. I may have officially been one of the 5 other guys who are obviously interested/possibly hopelessly interested in her. I'm trying to lay back but since there's no motivation as to her wanting to get to know me better for her to come to me, it's difficult to use certain techniques. Just not cool. Going out with her Saturday night, I'm hoping that I can pull her back in. Any advice would be appreciated for anything involving my situation. Thanks. |
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| Author: | JohnyZulu [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:20 pm ] |
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Alright my friend, I don't think all hope is lost. YOu have a tough battle, but it is possible to win. Here is my advice: When you go out with her (I hope you are going out to a bar or club, not a movie, this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT!!! Be somewhere with other people, not on a 1 on 1 date with this girl!!) you have to build jealousy. You could do this by bringing other girls with you who you think might be into you. Certainly once you are out flirt with other girls, run game on, make them start giving you IOIs, especially kino. That will drive your target crazy. The other thing to do is false disqualify yourself. Don't let her write you off, write her off. Tell her you need to find her a good man tonight! Not in a needy way, but in an "Oh my god, I feel so bad for you. You're an amazing girl, too bad you're not my type. But you know, you're a doll, we'll find you a good man, don't worry!" Now I think that maybe you were able to plant some seeds and flip some switches during your AFC conversation. Or at least opened the fuse box. Talking about all the things she deserves plants the ideas in her head. NOw you just have to flip the switches. Good luck. |
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