PUA Forum :: How to turn a good girl bad?

As a former 'good girl' who was going to marry a guy who I met at fifteen...

We're lying.

Now I'm a party girl, in an open relationship and masturbating...let's just say often.

What did it for me was being shown how much fun it was. Being eased into parties, eased into sex and as soon as I dipped my toe in either, I wanted more.

Ease her into it and she'll learn how much fun it all is.

Cinnamon

I won't pretend that I don't think that this is a little bit distressing, so maybe it's just my emotions speaking. I find it hard to believe, however, that every nice girl is just waiting for somebody to show her how to be a polyamorous party-goer. Certainly, I think that most nice girls have a wilder side to be unleashed, but your experience sounds pretty extreme to me.

Kasabi, what about dealing with a girl who has a naturally low sex drive? (I'm lumping this in with the traits of a good girl)

Kino escalation is completely one sided and not always reciprocated. How to you get her excited about it without her making her feel like she is going along with it for your benefit. Its harder to turn her on, and freeze outs don't work as she is happy with that outcome.

If crazy nymphos who desire sex 5 times a day exist, then it's logical to think that girls with naturally low libidos exist as well. You can try to "work it" but you have to accept the fact that you're ALWAYS going to have to go through a lot of work to get some play. If this is unacceptable to you, I'd find something else.

Author:	Grappler [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:07 am ]
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Im kind of "with" this girl whom i really like and shes a really nice girl but shes not really a party girl. I like being around her and all but shes kind of prude. im a freshman in college, so im kind of surprised by this but i was wondering if anyone knows how to make a really nice girl a bit bad? Grappler

Author:	KristallNachte [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:13 am ]
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just ease her into it

Author:	kasabi [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:47 am ]
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There is no such thing as a "good" girl. Sure there are good girls as in "calls her mom on weekends, balances her checkbook, wishes everybody happy holidays, takes care of her friends, etc . . . But you get ANY GIRL with a working hormone system worked up and she'll be ready for a pounding. Think about this . . . do you "choose" to get a boner? Monday afternoon church girls. No make up cause' it's too skanky for her girls. No drink, drive everybody home at the end of the night girls. "Never kissed a boy" girls. . . doesn't matter. Girls who exude this type of personality are typically sensitive to signs that a guy is about to pounce on her or that an "event" might be on the "bad girl's fun list" because it's important for them to communicate to everybody either verbally or non-verbally that "she doesn't go there." What they do while communicating is "talking themselves out of it." So you don't give her the chance to respond "intellectually" . . . hey, kinda like Michigan State wrestling isn't it? Not sure how much your styles have changed but I don't remember you guys ever being too technical. . . Lots of pounding and scrapping to keep technical guys from thinking straight and gassing them out. . . right? So while you hang out 1 on 1, while conversing, you just let one fly, "Jeeze, you look so gorgeous today." (But you can substitute this with any 'party topic') Her: (Blush) blah bl... You: (Cut her off) Hey, did you see that TV show about _____? Now you just start talking about some random shit and (Touch her elbow, touch her knee) "Ha ha ha . . .that show is so funny . . . . .." then . . You: Wow, your lips are so sexy when you make that face . . . (Stare stare stare) Her: Blah bl... You: (Cut her off) Oh my God! (touching her more) Are you going to ____ this weekend? We should totally do that . .. it'll be so much fun . . . On and on. . . If you get a positive response, of course you dive in for that kiss or tell her you're doing that "bad girl thing" or whatever. Otherwise you keep going with this seesaw. What you're doing is "elevating" her emotions without giving her "intellect" (or 'ego' if you're a fan of Freudian psychology) a chance to balance off her emotional desires. Also . . . everything changes once you pound her out.

Author:	Grappler [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:55 am ]
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man that was a ridiculously good post. i was pretty sure i was going to get a lot of "give her time" but you surprised me in a very positive way. thank you. its especially good since u quoted michigan state wrestling haha. and yes we are more brawlers than technicians. We are taught from day one to physically abuse the other person. By the way, you would not imagine how much girls like the wrestling thing

Author:	kasabi [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:21 am ]
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Girls who hang out with wrestlers do it for all sorts of reasons but those "prissy" girls often cling to wrestlers because they have no other ways to express their wild side. Come on. . . wrestling is the nuttiest college sport out there. "Harassment"? Are you kidding? Every practice is the worst form of harassment there is. As a freshman, I'm sure you know how physically painful it is to just go to practice one day and pair up with a senior who's gunning for all-american status. This is just nuts . . . and this is on top of the stereotypes. Believe me, she's waiting/hoping for "nutty". On a side note, I don't think I've ever lost a match against a Spartan . . . but I don't think I've ever walked off the mat without multiple bruises either . . . you crazy ass thugs!

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Author:	Grappler [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:45 am ]
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haha we may not be the best team, but we make sure our opponents remember us. i just recently found a whole group of girls that ONLY date wrestlers, its fantastic. i feel like a kid in a candy store

Author:	Walt [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:45 pm ]
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Kasabi, what about dealing with a girl who has a naturally low sex drive? (I'm lumping this in with the traits of a good girl) Kino escalation is completely one sided and not always reciprocated. How to you get her excited about it without her making her feel like she is going along with it for your benefit. Its harder to turn her on, and freeze outs don't work as she is happy with that outcome.

Author:	Ezo [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:50 pm ]
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We all have needs and desires, we just have different thresholds to get over in order to get to them. Make sure noone else is around and make her understand that what happens in that room will never leave it...

Author:	Cinnamon Spice [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:22 pm ]
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As a former 'good girl' who was going to marry a guy who I met at fifteen... We're lying. Now I'm a party girl, in an open relationship and masturbating...let's just say often. What did it for me was being shown how much fun it was. Being eased into parties, eased into sex and as soon as I dipped my toe in either, I wanted more. Ease her into it and she'll learn how much fun it all is. Cinnamon

Author:	ZEGlass [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:16 am ]
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Quote: As a former 'good girl' who was going to marry a guy who I met at fifteen... We're lying. Now I'm a party girl, in an open relationship and masturbating...let's just say often. What did it for me was being shown how much fun it was. Being eased into parties, eased into sex and as soon as I dipped my toe in either, I wanted more. Ease her into it and she'll learn how much fun it all is. Cinnamon I won't pretend that I don't think that this is a little bit distressing, so maybe it's just my emotions speaking. I find it hard to believe, however, that every nice girl is just waiting for somebody to show her how to be a polyamorous party-goer. Certainly, I think that most nice girls have a wilder side to be unleashed, but your experience sounds pretty extreme to me.

Author:	Cinnamon Spice [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:28 am ]
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Quote: I won't pretend that I don't think that this is a little bit distressing, so maybe it's just my emotions speaking. I find it hard to believe, however, that every nice girl is just waiting for somebody to show her how to be a polyamorous party-goer. Certainly, I think that most nice girls have a wilder side to be unleashed, but your experience sounds pretty extreme to me. Oh by no doubt my experience is a bit extreme, but I'm trying to show that it is VERY easy to turn a so-called 'good girl' into a so-called 'bad-girl'. I'm not saying partying or polyamoury is for everyone, or for all girls. But it is possible to turn me, a Girl Guide/anime geek/AP student into all that AND a polyamourous party girl. Let her know that it's fun, then show her how fun it is. You can get her to do lots of things as long as you ensure it's fun for her. Cinnamon

Author:	kasabi [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:12 am ]
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Quote: Kasabi, what about dealing with a girl who has a naturally low sex drive? (I'm lumping this in with the traits of a good girl) Kino escalation is completely one sided and not always reciprocated. How to you get her excited about it without her making her feel like she is going along with it for your benefit. Its harder to turn her on, and freeze outs don't work as she is happy with that outcome. If crazy nymphos who desire sex 5 times a day exist, then it's logical to think that girls with naturally low libidos exist as well. You can try to "work it" but you have to accept the fact that you're ALWAYS going to have to go through a lot of work to get some play. If this is unacceptable to you, I'd find something else.

Author:	kasabi [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:20 am ]
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Quote: As a former 'good girl' who was going to marry a guy who I met at fifteen... We're lying. Now I'm a party girl, in an open relationship and masturbating...let's just say often. What did it for me was being shown how much fun it was. Being eased into parties, eased into sex and as soon as I dipped my toe in either, I wanted more. Ease her into it and she'll learn how much fun it all is. Cinnamon Well . . . it's all in the wording but ALL women will want to think that they were "eased" into this stuff because nobody wants to believe that they were "FORCED" or MANHANDLED into it. The truth however is that you can't get somebody "dabble" with ANAL sex. You don't ease into 2 guys / 1 girl action. You don't "ease" into doing naked beer slides at a frat party along with 20 other guys. So yeah, you do things 1 at a time because you can't do 20 crazy things at once but when you do that 1 thing, you basically shove that kid in the cold pool or they will hardly ever swim. Rational thought is crazy's worst nemesis.

Author:	V1V [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:36 am ]
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Good, its already been cleared that there is never a true good girl. In fact the naughtiest ones tend to be the quietest. SEXUAL FRAMING. If your frame is strong enough, and you tell her that she is a nympho freak who is constantly going for sex with you, she will believe it. Remember she is programmed to respond to high value males. If your frame is dominant then she will believe you.

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Author:	Walt [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:09 pm ]
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Quote: If crazy nymphos who desire sex 5 times a day exist, then it's logical to think that girls with naturally low libidos exist as well. You can try to "work it" but you have to accept the fact that you're ALWAYS going to have to go through a lot of work to get some play. If this is unacceptable to you, I'd find something else. I'm guessing its more of her issue, be it a lack of confidence or not completely comfortable about people seeing her body. Are there ways of helping her feel more comfortable with her body. I.e Being able to pay a sincere compliment.