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| Author: | heyheysg [ Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:38 am ] |
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There's this girl who used to live in my dorm, there was a lot of eye contact in the past but I was too AFC to do anything about it, so about 2 years of this has past, where we would just walk past each other and EC but not say anything. And some other stupid stuff like me dropping a shitload of coins in the grocery line in front of her, not getting into the same lift with her and her new bf. (yeah comedy gold, I know) So now I'm this weird guy she recognizes and my value is probably really low in her eyes. I know the idea is to forget about the oneitis and move on, but assuming I run into her again. Should I just ignore or should I do something to wipe away the past. |
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| Author: | LEPRECHAUN [ Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:03 am ] |
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Next time you see her, you might want to approach her and talk to her. Otherwise, just forget about her. Walk up to her, and use this golden opener... are you ready for this... "Hi. I have been noticing you, noticing me, and I thought I would give you the opportunity to meet me." (reach out for a hand shake) Now... When she reaches out to shake your hand, make sure that your WRIST is facing toward the ground (conveys dominance and power). Her wrist will be facing the ceiling (roof) of the building (conveys submissiveness and weakness). You want to have a firm, not too tight of a hand shake. (no sweaty palms either). You can also try squeezing her hand three times (light squeezes so she at least "feels" it). If she returns the squeeze, this is a IOI (indicator of interest)... You also mentioned that she has a boyfriend too, right. Well, you need to find some of Ross Jeffries material for this next step. Find some of his material (which I am sure someone here has it) known as the... Boyfriend Destroyer Techniques Those will help you get that boyfriend out of the picture. I used to have them, they are stored away somewhere in my house, I have no idea where at the moment though. |
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| Author: | Ethan Hewitt [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:01 am ] |
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Here are some BF destroyer routines I quickly found, sound rather canned, so I'd work on the delivery. http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/t ... oyers.html http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_A ... troy.shtml I liked the tips on the handshake, wasn't aware of that until now, tip to self, reach out with wrist facing down, 3 light squeezes, love it. |
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| Author: | LEPRECHAUN [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:01 pm ] |
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You want Boy Friend Destroying Technique? Check this out... BOYFRIEND DESTROYING Excerpted from "Tyler Durden Essentials" book: Before we get started, I want to add, that I see nothing wrong in attempting to BFdestroy a relationship, because it can hardly be a good relationship if some dude she just met was so easily ablt to break it up. In the case of marriage with young children, however, I might not be inclined to use this stuff. Comments always welcome. My potent BF Destroying routine, in all it's evil glory: I have used this for years, and seen it work effectively for both myself and for friends who ask me to BFdestroy on chicks that they want to get with. I have seen this work on all forms of commitment (marriage, engaged, BF/GF, FB that she's attached to). This stuff is more geared towards prompting an actual breakup, than a ONS (though it has worked well for ONS also in-many-cases). For HB's in satisfying relationships (getting sexed well, getting emotional nurturing, guy is challenging yet fair) your only option is to read MrSEX4u NYC's stuff. Just do a ctrl-f search for "boyfriend" in NYC's archive, and you're golden. That is your only option, as no amount of BFdestroying will do shit. --- Background - a few things to remember: 1) When BFdestroying you walk a tighrope between evoking too many bad feelings and having them anchored to you, and getting the chick to want to dump her BF. Don't forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some other dude to enjoy. 2) It is preferable that you don't make it appear that you want her to dump her BF. rather, make the idea appear to be something from within her (more of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing). 3) While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her work it out of you, because she's worked up, and wants to know if she's got a fair deal or not. 4) You must reframe all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour. Even behaviour that -we- as PUA's would use on girls (such as not agreeing to LTR) is to be reframed as being nice guy behaviour, as someone who is too afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too afraid that they will lose it once they've been emotionally vulnerable (as will be explained below). All behaviour can be reframed. 5) By making the guy look like a "nice guy", you are making him the most sexually unappealing guy conceivable. Once you've done this, there is nothing that he can do to get back into her good books, as you've put him into a predicament whrere anything that he does will be interpreted by his GF as being insecure. So, if he's too distant, and he make up for it by buying her flowers -> he's insecure. If he's too needy, and he makes up for it by getting a life -> he's insecure. You are trying to diffuse his outer glossy shell, and give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears "mysterious" in any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for him. 6) Rather than re-explaining EVing. I'll just quote some MrSEX4uNYC archive, to give the basic frame that you're working with while you are using the stuff that I'm mentioning. Without using this at the same time, this shit is useless: "A major point though is that if her relationship to her BF was so good, what is she doing sitting out with you? This does not need to stated by you. It's obvious. Your job is to find out what she wants from you and how you plan to demostrate that you can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handled herself. this stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you even complimenting her once." THE TACTIC: What you're looking to do here is tear the guy down to a nice guy, while making it look like you're actually sticking up for him! Your goal is to make him one of those guys that a girl would go out with on a date, like as a person, and feel bad for having to LJBF at the end of the night when her tries to kiss her at the door. So how do you do that? Almost invariably. LTR's have certain problems (which any of you who've had LTR's are morbidly familiar with): - jealousy related spats (key) - neediness - failure to commit or being too distant - abusive behaviour (be it physical or mental) - psychological withdraw, to gain certainty in the relationship (in LTR's each party will withdraw to see if the other will pursue periodically, to assure themselves that the LTR is solid... this is dimestore psychology, and easily observable in any relationship) - being irresponsible (not holding up share chores, etc) - not being assertive in bed (key) - being into S&M and other stuff in bed, that the girl thinks is too far out - getting angry/frustrated when he initiates sex, and girl is not in the mood (key) - being too predictable, not passionate OK, there are some basic ones. I will now break these down to show you how I would roughly respond to any of these complaints, in a way that I appear to be sticking up for the BF, but am inadvertantly BFdestroying him. This is not the sum total of the routine, but simply the raw fuel that you are employing, while using standard kino/body language/tonality etc. Remember, that you may not necessarily want to start escalating your sexual state, until she is convinced that her BF is a lame-ass, otherwise she may potentially realize that you are trying to pull one over on her. This is not the rule, but simply something to be considered based on your evaluation of the circumstance. JEALOUSY: "You have to understand that this guy really appreciates you, because you're probably the best girl that he ever got, or ever will get. I know that... you care about this guy (maybe sp)... but there's just a certain equilibrium where if you've done this guy a favor by being with him and he's not equipped to handle it, since he knows that he'll never get a girl like you again if he walks out, that he's just constantly frustrated and panicked that you'll leave. It's not his fault." NEEDINESS: "You've got to understand that for this guy you are his entire world. He cares about you so much, that everything else in the world is meaningless to him. You are his only source of pleasure, and without you he knows that... he's nothing. You can't blame him, he just doesn't have anything else going for him, so he needs you." FAILURE TO COMMIT: "It's not that this guy doesn't love you. He does. It's just that deep down he has a fear that... you're too good for him... and that you'll realize it and be like, you know... you just have to dump this guy... and then he'll be left emotionally destroyed because he made himself vulnerable. Yes, yes, I know that you wouldn't do that to him, but it's just that with (x,y,z into consideration - bring up imbalance struck earlier in the convo) he know that you could get other guys (sp)... like me... I just think that he's not a emotionally secure person, and you've gotta cut him some slack." ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR: "It's not that this guy doesn't love you. It's that he loves you too much, and just can't handle it. He's not emotionally available, and because he knows that you're the best he's ever had, he can't handle all of these things that he's going through emotionally. All his life he probably wasn't very good with women, and women weren't interested in him... so now that he's got this girl, he doesn't know how to handle it. (Plus use the he doesn't want to be emotionally vulnerable, because he's such a loser ass that he can't handle it as per above etc.)" PERIDOC PSYCHOLOGICAL WITHDRAW: "(Use combinations from material you've learned... rather than downplaying it for the perfectly normal behaviour that it is, magnify it by making it appear to be a sign of insecurity, that is typically displayed when nice guys who can't get girls get stuck into a relationship with a girl that is too good for them)" BEING IRRESPONSIBLE: "It's not that this guy doesn't -want- to do these things. It's just that he's so overwhelmed by all of the things that are going on, that he just can't keep up these responsibilities. Yes, yes, I know that z,y,z aren't that much, but he's not in an emotionally healthy place right now, and he just can't handle it (you mirror this against yourself, the image of a real/strong/competent man, basically trying to make him seem like a little boy)" NOT BEING ASSERTIVE IN BED (this is key, and is very often the best one to use): "It's not that he doesn't want to excite you. It's just that he's so overwhelmed being with a girl like you, that he's not equipped to handle your sexual needs. It's like the typical case of the rich daughter who marries the laborer. At first the laborer is so exstactic to have this gorgeous girl (point to her) wanting him... But in the end, he cheats on her with some white trash mullet haired girl, because he knows that that's who he really belongs with, and that's who makes him feel good about himself. You shouldn't hold his lasck of assertiveness in bed against him, because it's just a reflection of his insecurity. With the right girl, any guy can be a stud in the sack... it's not hard, you just have to take control (perhaps show some controlling kino here, to get her turned on)" ** Then transition to some hot sex talk, where you inadvertantly spill how much you need to take control in bed. GUY INTO WEIRD STUFF IN BED (S&M, etc) WHEN SHE HATES IT: "It's not that this guy doesn't love you... It's just that he uses these things to objectify you, because he knows that he's never had a girl like you, and probably never will once you're gone... so he doesn't want to 'make love', because he doesn't want to make himself emotionally vulnerable to you... but he still wants sex, so he has to turn it into a perverse game, to keep his insecurities from overwhelming him" GUY GETS ANGRY WHEN HE INITIATES SEX & SHE'S NOT INTERESTED (another key to peck at): "The thing is, that this guy loves you, and he's just exasperated that... he's completely impotent to turn you on... he just can't turn you on, and he knows that, so he gets frustrated... it's like, I know that it's your job to get the girl turned on. Girls need a man who knows what they want, and how to get it. When a girl says 'no', but at the same time she loves this guy (sp), it often means please turn me on more... please, I want you to be more attentive to me... (this totally mindfucks the girl, as it is an extremely common part of the LTR cycle, that once sex becomes stagnant -> foreplay nearly ceases. because chemically women are addicted to oxitocins which are released by touch, and it is more testosterone that they get from sex, most women will hate sex once it degrades to a lack of foreplay. However, most LTR's have this problem, so you must exploit it... I'm ceasely amazed by how much girls in LTR's perk right up the second that you imply that you're attentive even in LTR's)" BEING PREDICTABLE, NOT PASSIONATE: "It's not that this guy doesn't love you. He does. It's just that he's so comfortable with you now... and feels so close to you, that you're more like a sister to him... like a special sister, but someone who he doesn't feel that he has to do all these things for anymore, because your relationship is so secure and so predictable... there's no need for all that excitement, because he knows that nothing will change... Some guys deal with true love that way... I dunno, for me, I think that if you really love someone, you have to do x,y,z (established earlier in convo) to keep it fresh. Like if you are really a real man who loves his woman, you have to do x,y,z to keep it fresh. But really, it's not that he doesn't love you, it's just that he loves you so much that he doesn't see the need" *** So, remember that you are focusing on destroying the guy's sexual appeal, by making him seem too familiar, and easy to understand. People generally get 'one-itis' for those who are challenging and hard to understand. By making the BF seem both easy to understand, and very insecure/nice/beta in the meantime, the relationship will likely not last the week. Just remember not to be the LJBF who counsels her on her problems. Instead, you are constantly getting her worked up by doing the EVing. Ideally, she must be getting both turned off the guy by what you're doing, and getting turned on by you, and the conversation naturally leads to how you are different, and -ideal- for what she wants. The natural flow of conversation must indirectly lead to exposing your highly desirable qualities. She is getting turned on by the direct contrast between you and her boyfriend. You do not offer your qualities directly, but highlight them by pointing out that you understand where her BF's negative qualities are insecure. Getting her to beg you to tell her how you treat women is all the better, and if it is going well can likely be expected. Act reluctant to tell her if necessary, though not to the extent that you are sending an SOI that her getting with you is not a program that you're down with. Once you have her worked up, use standard material to move in, and it's a done deal. |
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| Author: | heyheysg [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:36 pm ] |
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Hi, thanks for the advice. Oneitis is a terrible thing, while I know logically that if I ever got the girl, I would probably be happy for a few months and then be bored with her after that. But I guess having the redemption from improving the game and getting "the girl of your dreams" would be a huge ego boost. meanwhile, I'll work on my skills |
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