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Author:  hurley509 [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:41 pm ]
Post subject:  HOW DO U DISARM THE BITCH SHEILD IN A CLUB?!?!
last night me and a few fellas from the board (in adelaide) met up and got a bit of sarging happening. it seemed that no matter what technique we used (whether on the street doing timmys "happy birthday" or "high five routine" or even just trying to start indirect openers) that the bitch sheild was up hard and strong. now how do you deflate it? i mean, i had kiss close success last night but i approached a hell of a lot of women who were just cold to me even if i was just being freindly and fun. we tried to open sets early, and move em and do all that, but there didnt seem to be a place for any pick up theory in the club; what the hell?!? basicly!
Author:  Chief [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:51 pm ]
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i use flash game to disarm bitch shields before i even approach
Author:  hurley509 [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:05 am ]
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could u please give me a few examples as to how you do that? i dont have any real chic freinds to play pivot. if u just go out with a few mates to a club how do you get the ball rolling on flash game mate? cheers.
Author:  Ezo [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:35 am ]
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Chief is right. If she sees you in other sets your value will increase and you will blast right through it. Another way to go is to open her friends or pawn another set close by.
Author:  Impact [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:40 am ]
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You have a really odd problem, give me some scenarios! tell me what happened and what you were doing, how you were standing and communicating.

I haven’t got bitch shield problem in looooooooooong time!
Author:  hurley509 [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:50 am ]
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well, i would open sets over my shoulder and ask opinions with false time constraints and basicly get no reaction... id high five everyone even guys and alot of the time the girls wouldnt do it also... its just everyone has a really catty energy. i mean, a few kinda took the bate and i built attraction and had a few things work out but the bitch sheild was still strong. its mentioned if im seen talking to sets that it will change it and it didnt have alot of an effect cos id open sets then talk to girls near them and theyd be unresponsive again. i mean i wasnt needy, i tried to keep the goal out mind.. id approach the girls with the same confidence id approach my 8 year old cousin despite the knock backs.. and still alot of bitchiness. I find this especially when i open a set and zone in on one girl which may have been a big mistake to correct for next time. maybe when talkin to the sets i didnt position myself as the one beng chased? food for thought for me
Author:  Impact [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:26 am ]
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Alright before we can figure this out do me a favour and go early, go to a club around 5pm, where people as just eating and chilling out! and then open sets!

And get back to me on how people react to you, if still bad then we can take it from there!
Author:  hurley509 [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:09 am ]
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thats a good idea mate. il try to find somewhere good where i can do that. cash is short this week but as soon as i can il give it a shot and tell you the result.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:21 am ]
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could u please give me a few examples as to how you do that? i dont have any real chic freinds to play pivot. if u just go out with a few mates to a club how do you get the ball rolling on flash game mate? cheers.
My advice won't work under the scenario Impact suggested. He's essentially recommending you to switch over to day game, which inherently involves lower bitch shields. You can do that, or...

In my flash game arsenal for night game, I use two main tools:
1. Dance Floor Game.
2. Being loud, obnoxious, and animated.

Both of these things demonstrate high value to the entire venue by showing that my friends and I are having the most fun time in the venue.
Author:  kasabi [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:49 am ]
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If your buddies are all hanging around you and waiting for you while you open, it seems set up. Those large "junior high school dance" group handshakes are so corny.

If you don't do this already, split up with your guy friends and give yourselves a meeting point and time frame. Going in solo and going way under the radar also tends to get their shields down. After she's comfortable with you,

"Hey, my buddies are waiting for me at the bar. Let's go grab a drink."

If you're buddies can also grab a few girls and there's a group at the bar when you show . . . this is a great mix and match opportunity. Then you mingle, choose, and isolate.
Author:  hurley509 [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:29 am ]
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sounds like a good idea. but just wondering, would splitting up like that and going alone wreck social proof tho?
Author:  Mithos [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:44 am ]
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well, i would open sets over my shoulder and ask opinions with false time constraints and basicly get no reaction... id high five everyone even guys and alot of the time the girls wouldnt do it also... its just everyone has a really catty energy. i mean, a few kinda took the bate and i built attraction and had a few things work out but the bitch sheild was still strong. its mentioned if im seen talking to sets that it will change it and it didnt have alot of an effect cos id open sets then talk to girls near them and theyd be unresponsive again. i mean i wasnt needy, i tried to keep the goal out mind.. id approach the girls with the same confidence id approach my 8 year old cousin despite the knock backs.. and still alot of bitchiness. I find this especially when i open a set and zone in on one girl which may have been a big mistake to correct for next time. maybe when talkin to the sets i didnt position myself as the one beng chased? food for thought for me
Your problem is that your using opinion openers. Take it from the chicks point of view. Your in a in deph convo with your friend when some random stranger comes out of no where and asks for your opinion on something in the club of all places?!? To quote someone who used this before

"it's like being on a rollercoaster and having it stop so some guy can sell you insurance."

IMO opinion openers are best used in day game.
Author:  kasabi [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:59 am ]
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sounds like a good idea. but just wondering, would splitting up like that and going alone wreck social proof tho?
Compared to what? Walking around in a gay GUY group and holding each other's hands while one takes a chance at talking to a girl?

Even if you want to do this "I'm part of a big group so I'm not a loser . . . really, really, I'm not . . . " game, you should tell your buddies, "Hey guys, go ahead, I'll be with you in a minute," when you want to get beyond, opening.

You're a guy . . . and still, I bet it's more intimidating for you to chat up a girl who's got a big fatty standing behind her, a talkative bitch to her left, and some nerdy girl who's staring at you funny to her right.

How do you think girls feel when they're confronted with something like this? Everything changes once she's comfortable with you. Then you can just grab her by the hand and go, "How about a shot with my friends?"
Author:  kasabi [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:06 am ]
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oops double post
Author:  hurley509 [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:19 am ]
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good point. makes sense now that i think about it. and about opinion openers, i mean ive seen the pick up artist with mysetery so i assumed the opinion openers were for clubs? what kind of content would u suggest for clubs in these circumstances? sorry if i seem a bit ignorant.. iam just starving for knowledge!
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