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| Author: | ChuMp [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | My opens stink. Bad. |
K, so I'm your typical AFC. I cannot open properly. My problem is I can't make up anything on the spot besides insults about slutiness and loose vagina's. We know how much ladies love that. The only way I can see myself opening without tripping over my tongue is if I know every single move, every single response to every single reaction. But we know thats impossible. What steps can I take to make myself more charismatic, or is something this anti-PUA unfixable? I plan on practicing opening all Halloween, and not getting much farther then that. I'll be back hopefully with my pride intact and asking for help with getting the target on her own. |
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| Author: | Plethora [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:57 am ] |
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If you can't think of anything on the spot, use a canned opener. Here are some: 1) Hey guys, I have a quick question for you - who lies more, men or women? Me and my buddy are arguing about it all day... 2) Hey guys, let me get your take on this - is kissing cheating? My buddy says it's not... 3) ...My friend has this cute little Labrador puppy...and he's searching for a name. Do you have an idea? 4) ...My sister wants a tattoo...But she's only 17. Is it ok, what do you think? 5) Hey guys, let me get your take on this. What's Brad Pitt's best movie? Me and my buddy are arguing about it all day... 6) ...I'm searching for a birthday present for a friend. She's the same age as you. Do you have an idea? I was thinking about a perfume... 7) Hey, I need a quick opinion on something... I want to have my hair dyed blond (/black). Do you think it fits me? 8 ) Hey, I need a quick opinion on something...It's really important...Do you floss before or after you brush? 9) Hey guys, help me settle a quick debate. If you were Brad Pitt who would you choose: Jennifer Aniston or Angelina Jolie? Me and my buddy... 10) Hey guys, let me get your take on this. Me and my buddy are not sure - why do so many girls kiss each other in the club? (stolen from http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Talk-t ... id=1426838) Over time your conversational skills and confidence will greatly increase, and you won't need to rely on canned material. |
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| Author: | ChuMp [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:45 am ] |
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"Hey guys, I have a quick question for you - who lies more, men or women? Me and my buddy are arguing about it all day..." Perfect, my friend is a total bitch and lies all the time. Thanks for the tips. |
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| Author: | renegadecow [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:18 pm ] |
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Why not try "hey guys whats up?" I use that almost exclusively these days. Its impossible to forget too! |
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| Author: | Plethora [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:22 pm ] |
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Quote: Why not try "hey guys whats up?" I use that almost exclusively these days. Its impossible to forget too!
Because:1. Every single guy that approaches asks them this. This makes you 'the next guy.' 2. It doesn't go anywhere. If they don't ask you a question in return then you have nothing to talk to them about. |
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| Author: | ChuMp [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:16 pm ] |
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Arrite, so, I've got a few openers under my belt, but they're all canned. I was really hoping to avoid something that mundane, but at the moment I can't think of anything. I take from most canned openers that it should somehow involve their opinion, and I should be able to add onto what they have to say. If I were to make my own opener, or think one up on the spot, what should it involve? Should it be deep and philosophical or should it be shallow? |
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| Author: | Plethora [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:25 pm ] |
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They definitely should be shallow. But don't try and think up opinion openers on the spot if you haven't already established a confidence with using the canned, proven stuff. Just pick a couple of those canned ones and memorize them. Go out there and sarge sarge sarge. |
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| Author: | ChuMp [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:38 pm ] |
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Well, thanks guys, really appreciate the advice. Practice practice and mo-fucking practice. |
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| Author: | JohnChap [ Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:55 pm ] |
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Its sucks doesn't it? Not knowing what to say to a girl; how to open sets so they remain hung on your every word. Sometimes you wish you knew exactly what to say and when to say it. But there's good news! Unfortunately it's not going to happen over night. Just like the other guys said, you have to " sarge, sarge, and MO fucking sarge". But sarging is not enough. You have to pace yourself. I remember when I first started sarging. I would go all out. I mean, I would approach the woman and try to take her home that same evening! It wasn't happening. Not in a long shot! What somebody didn't tell me was that I could not try to fuck the girl right then and there and succeed at it ..at least not when I was first starting out. I don't care what type of guy you are. I don't care how you look, what size your dick is, or what the color of your skin is, we all learn in similar fashion. I had to learn the hard way; I had to learn that I couldn't fuck the girl right then and there. If there's someone that tells you the opposite; that you can fuck-close a girl in the first approach, then they're full of shit or they're not telling you everything. Don't get me wrong, some men can fuck-close a girl on the first approach. I've done it, but not when I FIRST GOT STARTED. Hell no. It took me practice, and a lot of it. Just remember, young player to be, that you will get there BUT in order to get there the fast AS POSSIBLE, take my suggestion: Take baby steps. Forget about what to say to the girl. Just say hello, and if hello is the only thing you say with the set, then that's okay becuase you'll be one step closer to knowing exactly what to say next time. You'll NATURALLY get there this way. Forget canned goods. They only work if your innergame (your confidence, attitudes, beliefs) are developed and exuding confidence, and that my friend, takes time backed up by persistent practice. This is how naturals become naturals. They simply follow their desire for women, but they don't rush it. Say hello, and if thats it, then thats it .. If you take your time, and take baby steps, I bet my sports car you'll know exactly what to say next time becuase you'll build your confidence PROPORTIONALLY ...the proper way! and this is the key. Good luck. |
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| Author: | ChuMp [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:28 am ] |
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Wow guys, I'm lovin' the feedback on this one. Now it's kind of jumping ahead, but this Hallows Eve I took out a couple girl friends to a bar I know. I'm into this one girl, have been for a while. Thanks to the pre-friendship I didn't have to open on these girls, but I practiced one anyways. I gave them "Do you think being drunk allows you to do things you've always wanted to do, or it makes you do thing you'd never do?" Good shallow opinion opener. I got "Both" in response. Lame. First thing we did was hang out at her place and take her little... cousin? out trick-or-treating. Not the best time to PU so I saved it for later. But, I thought I'd get things rolling before we even got started, so I talked to my non-target girl all night. My target would jump in every once in a while, and I'd give that "Well thats good for you" look and say something unimportant, then go right back to my non-target. I may have mishandled that IOI poorly, and I did the rest of the night. We headed over to this one pub with nothing but old people and nobody dressed up there, so we felt kind of out of place. And I could feel eyes all over my target. Now, how I positioned myself was [me] [target] [friend] and I talked across my target to my friend. Again, more two-cent comments from the target. This is where things got interesting. For me anyways, this is a big step from being a "we're good friends". My friend had to use the bathroom, so me and the target were alone. I got to Isolation without even trying. My sarging practice isn't hard enough on me. I figured, in my head, "Try to build an emotional standing and a comfort with her, then Kino". Once my friend left, she hit me. (I'm dressed up as Shaun of the Dead, a zombie slayer.) Went something like this: [Why'd you hit me?] "Cause your a zombie slayer, you should be on constant alert, and you're bigger then me" [Oh... {look around as if bored then tap her on the knee} Maybe you should work on those reflexes (or something)] "Oh! ChuMp! (not my name, but you get it){Chest slap}" [Besides, whats me being bigger then you got to do with anything?] We go on to talk about how its intimidating and she wants to defend herself. I told her that I wasn't gonna hurt her (or something like that in a surprised tone). I was about to hug her when my friend walked back to the table. I went right back to talking to my friend. Went right back to ignoring the target. I believe that was IOI's galore. We eventually drove around to another bar and a band was playing. This was probably the downfall of the night. It was so awkward at some points. I had nothing left to say. To either of them. I had run dry. We sat in silence for almost that we were there. I'll admit we were standing awful close to the band, but no excuses. At one point we were moving through the crowd, I got behind and desperately grabbed the targets hand. It was demoralizing. I did the squeeze test and nothing back. We must have stood there a good hour and I made a comment about how bored they looked. And here comes the kicker, the target said "I am, no guys are hitting on me, they always hit on me!" and I said something like "Maybe it's cause you have a 6'7" ape behind you". So whats she do? Pushes me back. Playfully I think. Can't be too sure "Yah! get out of here, you're scaring the guys!" I must have had a look on my face that spelled "Ouch, right in the crotch". She instantly came back and hugged me into the group. I think I was back to being "just good friends" again. I said "I would leave you, but theres no one else to hit on in here." We left after a while. I was morally bankrupt at that time, and I couldn't help but bring myself down and take her with me. I insulted her, I insulted myself. She invited us back for a movie (we do it all the time) and my friend said "Nah, I'm tired". Once my friend left I continued to bash us both down. I felt like a jerk but I couldn't stop. We were in her basement picking up my camera and I said something along the lines of making up for just a lame Halloween. She said we should watch the movie I said sucked. Sure, why not? She drove me home, most definitely cause she wanted to get to her bf's house party right away, cause no one hit on her all night (ME, ME fucking ME!). We hugged in the car outside my house. Earlier that night she said something about her new tongue ring and she couldn't share germs with anyone, so I didn't even attempt it, even if it was bull. I didn't write it, and I won't cause I'm fucking tired now, but I negged her all night, before shit went to shit. Often. But sometimes it's the only thing I can think of. Then I can't think of anything positive to counter it. So, if you actually read all that, and you have any comments, concerns or constructive criticism, feel free. And these scenarios happen all the time with us, so if there's anything you think would have been more clever to say, lemme know. |
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