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Author:  theknight [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Any non-opinion openers at night games??
Hey guys.. I am looking for some good non-opinion openers.
The reason is that the place I can go to has been oversarged, and there are always 50 puas going there everyday using opinion openers. So in the past 3 weeks I had nothing but blown outs when i use opinion openers..

So what might be some good non-opinion openers. If it's situational opener, how can I come up with one and how to follow up?

About me.. I am averge looking asian guy, who's pretty introverted but can warm up fast. I consider myself average looking and pretty cool,..

So any suggestions??
Author:  Chief [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:33 am ]
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Smile, make eye contact, and say "hi!"

Works like a charm.

Oh, or you could be REALLY crazy and stick out your hand and say "Hi, I'm (name)!"

omg it's sooooo manipulative :P
Author:  nowanda [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:42 pm ]
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approach directly.
go say:
"hey i just saw you-and i think you re kinda cute.
i d have regretted if i didnt come and say hi!"

and smile..

she will giggle!!!!
Author:  Payroll [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:43 am ]
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You can go direct, but I don't know if that's going to work in a club or bar. Think of the purpose of an opinion opener, its supposed to go UNDER the radar, so the girls don't immediately think you're hitting on them. And you can use the topic of the opener to get immediate conversation that you can stack routines into.

Have your phone out like youre reading a text, then be like "WTF?? HEY .. my friend is thinking about moving to LA to be a fucking entertainment journalist.. should I be encouraging this??" Well that one sucks but it doesn't really matter what you say, just make sure its spontaneous-looking and engages everyone. No need to ask for opinions people will just go with it.
Author:  The Libertine [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:48 am ]
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Opinion openers are something I only ever use if I'm out in foreign territory and don't know anyone (females) except for the guys I rolled into the venue with...
There are a couple of different way you could open.

1) When you walk into the venue bring along a female pivot[s] or female wing[s] (make sure she is hot & very social, credit to Adam Lyons who is a genius) be the centre of attention, if you have conveyed significant social value and look like your having a good night, woman are likely to approach you/ or will be within you radius and receptive to an opener as simple as: Hey how's your night going so far? (etc.) *Note to beginners who worry that people might think your going out with the pivot/wing, it doesn't matter*

2)Smoking, if your a smoker...and there is a part of the venue designated for smoking go there! These areas can often be small and over crowded this usually puts people into a talkative mood because it just seems awkward to be in such close proximity with someone and not say anything...From my experience there's a variety of smokers openers eg: Got a light? People will ask you this as well, perfectly normal thing to ask...conversation has started so just transition forward into normal conversation...If someone say do you smoke? Throw in a funny reply like: Only if I go too fast *and wink*, but you don't even have to use those ..seriously, just talk about anything, but remember the structure of game. The reason why people ask opinion openers and throw in an FTC is so that they don't seem over invested in the conversation, just remember to lean back and not give too many IOI's early on.

3) Also I mentioned this a while back,
Quote:
In the new Mystery Method Book [Revelation] there are examples of a non-opinion opener, such as Mystery's Google earth opener/routine, whch is as follows:

Have you ever heard of Google earth? . . . I checked out this
location—this very spot . . . where we are standing right now—on Google
earth . . . I zoomed in to this location and I saw that building there . . . and
that building right there . . . it’s like I have already visited this place. . . . Isn’t it cool? But now here I am, and it’s so much better in 3D.
Target: [any IOI]
Mystery: You’re very little . . . [stacking forward]

*Body language should be taken into consideration just like any other opener... Not everyone likes this opener but its the principles that are important, its non threatening and still indirect just like an opinion opener...
Good luck 8)
Author:  NonStopReaper [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:17 am ]
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heres a good one i like to use. Walk up to the target and be like "hey where you get that ( pick an item she wearing)? My mom's bday is coming up and i thought that would be a great gift for her"
its kinda like a neg also cause your saying that your mom would wear it but its good enough for you to ask her.
If you are really bold use this approch. just walk up to the girl Not one word. examine something on her and go "wow it really does makes your eyes prettier" *smile* and walk away. then come back later and be like " i didnt mean to starttle you the first time i was just so intruged" from there run your routines.
Author:  Plethora [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:39 am ]
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You can use your environment.

Pawn off the other people in the club to start a conversation with a girl. I'll give some examples off the top of my head, but I usually just wing it.

High five and talk to a guy standing near the girls (not in the set), then you can easily turn to a girl and say something like "you guys make a great couple." Or you could ask if they were together.

Other good ways:

'Accidentally' bump into a guy right in front of her, then be like "did you see that? Some guys are just so rude." Then neg her.

Or you can open with any neg about her accessories/clothing/hair.

Or you can just be direct.

Or you mistake a group of girls as your friends.

Or you can make eye contact and tell her to 'come here.'

Or you can give her Mystery's bird opener (give her the finger).

Lint opener, bump into her, ask for directions, girlfriend look-alike opener (off Sheldon from Keys to the VIP), "If I wasn't gay..." opener... many more.

There are plenty of ways to start a conversation with a woman in a club that don't involve opinion openers.
Author:  Jaybot [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:50 am ]
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could go for a statement "Man, this DJ sucks. Maybe someone should let him know he is having a shocker."
Author:  Solomon II [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:23 pm ]
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Quote:
You can go direct, but I don't know if that's going to work in a club or bar. Think of the purpose of an opinion opener, its supposed to go UNDER the radar, so the girls don't immediately think you're hitting on them. And you can use the topic of the opener to get immediate conversation that you can stack routines into.
That is indeed the purpose of opinion openers. Flying under the radar, in everyday lingo, means making sure she's interested in you before you make your intentions clear. You're playing it safe, and that's a smart way to do things. However, my way of doing this is to go direct and ignore her reaction (positive or otherwise), then I just slip into normal mode and have fun without hitting on her anymore. Until she starts showing interest, that is. After that it's pretty obvious that she wants you to return the interest again.

Oh and by the way, there is more than one kind of attraction. I don't care if you can reach a hook point and DHV and do all the other silly little things that are meant to make a woman attracted to you in that way. Just because she thinks you're cool and is comfortable with you being there doesn't mean she's gonna sleep with you. I've never seen anyone else admit this, undoubtedly because it's bad for business, but you can not make any woman attracted to you. Simple as that. If she isn't attracted to you the way that you want her to be though, who cares? You're still having fun with her, there is no doubt that at least one of her group likes you, and other girls in the place can see you having fun with her and you will be getting vibes from them aswell. You can't change her mind, but you can still have fun and use the social proof to your advantage.

I've been talking to a couple of guys lately, I know them pretty well and can talk about anything - including girls. These guys are naturally good with girls, and what I describe above is exactly what they do. They agree that she either likes you or she doesn't, and it doesn't matter which because moving along is easy. As a matter of fact, the similarities between what they do and everything I've come to learn are pretty uncanny. In short, direct works exactly the same, just faster. The key to making it work though, is to be direct to start with then cutting it off until it's cool to start hitting on her again.
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