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Author:  Lupin [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:09 am ]
Post subject:  the apocalypse opener
has anyone heard of this? i came across it on http://www.bristollair.com. wondering if anyone has ever used it.


Here it is, lads:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

"Hey, how's it going."

She will say

"Fine."

You then say

"Cool. What are you doing later?"

She will say

"I'm not sure."

You then say

"Do you want to come home with me?"

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD....................

HOLD IT MY SON..........................

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE..................

Boom. Makeout.

And that's the Apocalypse opener. You don't 'build rapport.' You don't 'elicit values.' You don't 'kino escalate.' You don't even ask her fucking NAME. You ask if she wants to sleep with you in the THIRD SENTENCE, hold the line, and reap the whirlwind.

the author of it is Jekyll
Author:  c_n12 [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:44 pm ]
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I really like this! I would have loved to have been given a technique like this when I was starting out.

The kiss close is semi-direct which is really cool. This concept just proves that the most effective things in life are often the simplest.

The idea is to convey a semi-no bullshit attitude where you walk in and convey alpha behavior by doing something unexpected and "risky". It just goes to show that alpha behavior alone can elicit values with a woman and you don't necessarily need a complex techinque to do it; the guy is being upredictable, dominating and romantic which is a deadly combo and he's just throwing it all in to about 30 seconds of conversation.

- Chris 8)
Author:  [Pulse] [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:55 pm ]
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Hehe it sounds great and i could see this might work with some girls but im not sure about others..

If anyone has tried it out and got any good response let me know, ill deff try to use this 1 over the next few days

-Pulse
Author:  Solomon II [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:46 pm ]
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Guys, I wanna point something out here. There's nothing wrong with this approach, I've had success with similar methods but it's time for a reality check... she isn't gonna make out with you after you say this unless she's really hot for you and her friends are nowhere to be seen. It's more likely that she'll say something along the lines of "excuse me?", "who do you think you are?", "I'm not easy" or the good old fashioned "I don't even know you". Make sure to think about all the things she could say and have good comebacks for them so you don't look like a doofus.

And remember this: if she stands around talking to you, nomatter how negative the responses seem to be, she is showing some degree of interest because if she didn't like you then she'd simply act offended and walk away from you. That is the only situation you should admit defeat in... otherwise, stand your ground, have good comebacks for whatever she says and don't apologise for anything. Oh yeah and strong eye contact/voice tonality is also important.
Author:  c_n12 [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:59 pm ]
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Not necessarily; a reaction like this is typical because women are caught in two minds. They're fighting against their social programming, which says that she's supposed to be a good girl and her desire to be with a guy this upfront and confident. What most people in the community fail to realize is that they don't need to build value and opening a woman in an alpha, upfront, confident manner is usually enough to give a man far more value than any indirect opener can.

You may not actually get as bad a reaction as you might think with this technique. As far as I'm concerned a woman is either interested in you and will not find your sexual advances offensive, or pretend to be offended and still be interested or she's just not plain interested in you altogether. Either way you are being honest and upfront which is your only job. Think about it. What if you went on like four dates with this chick only to find out she was never interested in you?

The main objective in all this is to get with women. Just like it may not be productive to be sexually upfront with a woman, it may be just as unproductive to get to know her in order to be with her. I think it is completely up to you to do whatever you want and not put limits on yourself by thinking that doing one thing is better than the other. If you want to be upfront then be upfront because you want to. If you want to get to know women before you bang them then be this way because you want to.

One thing I can tell you is that if you want to be upfront about sex with women, then you have to learn how to deal with the reactions. Being upfront and honest about your intentions will generate certain responses and it is up to you to deal with these responses and interpret them correctly.

If I am upfront with a woman I will never apologize or take back my comments. I remain steadfast and after the woman sorts herself out then she can decide what she wants to do. You have to remember to be comfortable with rejection now and again but I get far more women who are turned on to no end.

People need to ask themselves if they are comfortable with losing some girls in order to get with women that will really want to be with them. From my experience being direct I have had some of the most sexually gratifying experiences after just knowing a girl for a very short time.

The sexual tension that results from this is amazing to me. Further, since I have started out the relationship on an upfront and honest level, I have been able to introduce such things as threesomes and open relationships much easier. I'm not saying you can't do this through the conventional methods of meeting women, but for me it has been much easier when I've been upfront and honest.

Lastly it feels fucking awesome to be upfront. I get a kick out of not having to deal with the bull shit which comes about when I'm not upfront and honest about my intentions. If I want to get to know a woman before sleeping with her then I'll do it because I honestly want to get to know a woman. But if I just want a girl for her body then I'll tell her.

- Chris 8)
Author:  com.solo [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:24 pm ]
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I'll be trying this this weekend, I swear. Might be able to get a video.
Author:  ANDeeZY [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:37 pm ]
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sounds bizarre.. but i'll see how many women it will work on
Author:  Rye Lee [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the apocalypse opener
Quote:
has anyone heard of this? i came across it on http://www.bristollair.com. wondering if anyone has ever used it.


Here it is, lads:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

"Hey, how's it going."

She will say

"Fine."

You then say

"Cool. What are you doing later?"

She will say

"I'm not sure."

You then say

"Do you want to come home with me?"

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD....................

HOLD IT MY SON..........................

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE..................

Boom. Makeout.

And that's the Apocalypse opener. You don't 'build rapport.' You don't 'elicit values.' You don't 'kino escalate.' You don't even ask her fucking NAME. You ask if she wants to sleep with you in the THIRD SENTENCE, hold the line, and reap the whirlwind.

the author of it is Jekyll
You've done the same thing as a guy in another thread did and slightly changed the lines, which is not good, cause the impression you give based upon what you can determine with NLP, is not as effective.

PUA: "Hey, how's it going?"

HB: "Not to bad."

PUA: "What are you doing later tonight?"

HB: "I dunno..."

PUA: "You wanna come home with me?"


Now, as best as I've been able to figure it out using what I know of NLP, etc, I would be fairly non-chalant, then when you ask the last thing, you emphasize the "you" making it more of a command, rather than a question, as you need to expect that she will say yes and while saying it, you look her directly in the eyes.

Now, notice the slightly different wording, but the same basic message. With the different wording though, instead of ASKING "Do you want to come home with me?" You are half TELLING her, "YOU, want to come home with me." It's only a HALF QUESTION.

Or, "Cool. What are you doing later?" vs "What are you doing later tonight?" With the first one, you sound nervous to be asking these things because you have to say, "Cool." in order to keep things running and in order to keep your frame. "What are you doing later?" Later when? Next week? Tomorrow? No, Later TONIGHT. It gets her in the moment, breaks her out of her reality, because now you're really defining things and letting her know you're not just being casual and asking random questions, you've got a purpose, you wanna know what she's got planned later, cause YOU'VE got plans and you're about to include her. Then you tell/ask her that she's gonna be coming home with you and you KNOW it, you SHOW that you know it by looking her straight in the eyes with confidence and being rock solid.

The one thing that this failed to mention, is that although it does work outright, the creator of it (not Jekyll btw, it was Cieran or Jlaix, can't remember which one) said that often he ends up making out right after because of how strong his frame is, but it still ends up being an opener and he has to run a bit of game first and escalate further in order to actually pull.
Author:  Lupin [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:55 pm ]
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heres the link to the opener http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/r ... pener.html
btw i just copied and pasted the opener and wanted to know if anyone had tried it before.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:56 am ]
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Quote:
heres the link to the opener http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/r ... pener.html
btw i just copied and pasted the opener and wanted to know if anyone had tried it before.
Interesting, not where I saw it come from. Hard to trace things back sometimes.
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