PUA Forum :: A question about Leaving a PROP/ using the photo opportunity

i like the neg man its sweet, no what ur doing there is good when u take the camera back just hit her with a routine the problem is she might just rob it and then when u go running back for it ull DLV yourself!Just routine it from there and start stacking!!

The camera thing isn't a good way to go as an opener, because you haven't built any sort of comfort/attraction and then you're going straight into giving her shit for not knowing how to use your camera, which is a perfectly common problem. If her or her friend were in the picture, then it would be fine, but if she has no investment in it, then she isn't gonna stand around and get bullied, she'll just toss the camera back, or leave it on a table or something.

Same thing with leaving her with your camera and expecting her to give it back. If she has some rapport built with you, then she will want to get it back to you, or if she's a really nice person with high morals; but if not, then she's gonna take it, or leave it sitting somewhere where someone else will take it. Then you get to try to track her down if it's in a club or something where there are more than just a few people. Personally if I were to snag a good camera, then I wouldn't care too much about a $5-20 cover.

As for the "You guys are the least average looking girls in here" line; it has a possibility of working with the right delivery and if you've got something to follow it up with, but if they ask what that means and you don't have anything good to say, then you look like a dumbass.

I think you need to stop trying to re-invent the wheel after 24 hours. Learn the concepts first and understand why and how they work. Try the stuff that already exists out and see how and why it works and then you can impliment your own stuff.

how much do these courses cost?

And does anyone else have any input on my posts?

and I think the layout is like this:

Hi...(opener)
during the opener throw a few negs,
fight against shit tests, a few negs,
make sure she knows you aren't insulting her,
convince you aren't interested,
throw some negs,
continue some stories DHVs
negs, than close

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Well, if some more guys in your area are interested, then The Saint and myself would come down and run a 3 day/night course for $1000 per person. We cater our courses specifically to what you need to become the best you can be, so no time is wasted on stuff that doesn't apply to you and you get the most you can out of our teaching.

If you or anyone else is interested in more info, you can email The Saint or myself at

thesaint@charismaconcept.com

or

ryelee@charismaconcept.com

Author:	johncyz [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:	A question about Leaving a PROP/ using the photo opportunity
I'm new at sarging (I've just started learning yesterday), and I'm still not sure about the exact process from Opener to # Close or Kiss Close, and would appreciate a breakdown if anyone knows where to find one. I'm 18, never dated any women, and am a virgin, and decided I'm tired of being strictly the nice guy... On to my question. I was thinking, and pondered upon this situation. As an opener, walk to the girl, and give her the camera and say "take a picture of me and my friend", which I figured kind of gives the Alpha male vibe. When she stumbles around the camera trying to figure out how to work it, as most people do, I could drop a neg like "Have you never used a camera before?". After she takes the picture, maybe we could basically "forget" the camera with her, and then she will come up to me and try to return the camera., which is kind of a DHV because it shows that I am not studying her too close, and that I don't really worry about a camera enough to automatically get it back, and it also builds a kind of feeling of trust because I entrust her with my camera. And that's where I don't know what to do. Can anyone help by giving some advice on this theoretical situation and what to do after she returns my camera?

Author:	AV8OR [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:11 pm ]
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i like the neg man its sweet, no what ur doing there is good when u take the camera back just hit her with a routine the problem is she might just rob it and then when u go running back for it ull DLV yourself!Just routine it from there and start stacking!!

Author:	johncyz [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:19 pm ]
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Quote: i like the neg man its sweet, no what ur doing there is good when u take the camera back just hit her with a routine the problem is she might just rob it and then when u go running back for it ull DLV yourself!Just routine it from there and start stacking!! Well the way I imagine this set working, it will be in a bowling alley, or somewhere where the chick has to pay to enjoy, so that the odds of her jacking the camera and wasting the money she's paid is slim. How does a routine go? And what is stacking?

Author:	johncyz [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:23 pm ]
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along with my previous postings, I was wondering if this could be used as a neg: Opener: Hey I've got a question for you guys: then run into the "Friends GF found his stash of EXes" opener. this is the neg I'm wondering about: And the reason I asked is because You two are the least average looking girls in here, so i figured you would be honest. Which to me kind of states a "I don't know if that's a compliment or diss" stage within them, which I think would intrigue them more into talking with me.

Author:	Rye Lee [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:40 pm ]
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The camera thing isn't a good way to go as an opener, because you haven't built any sort of comfort/attraction and then you're going straight into giving her shit for not knowing how to use your camera, which is a perfectly common problem. If her or her friend were in the picture, then it would be fine, but if she has no investment in it, then she isn't gonna stand around and get bullied, she'll just toss the camera back, or leave it on a table or something. Same thing with leaving her with your camera and expecting her to give it back. If she has some rapport built with you, then she will want to get it back to you, or if she's a really nice person with high morals; but if not, then she's gonna take it, or leave it sitting somewhere where someone else will take it. Then you get to try to track her down if it's in a club or something where there are more than just a few people. Personally if I were to snag a good camera, then I wouldn't care too much about a $5-20 cover. As for the "You guys are the least average looking girls in here" line; it has a possibility of working with the right delivery and if you've got something to follow it up with, but if they ask what that means and you don't have anything good to say, then you look like a dumbass. I think you need to stop trying to re-invent the wheel after 24 hours. Learn the concepts first and understand why and how they work. Try the stuff that already exists out and see how and why it works and then you can impliment your own stuff.

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Author:	johncyz [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:14 pm ]
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Quote: The camera thing isn't a good way to go as an opener, because you haven't built any sort of comfort/attraction and then you're going straight into giving her shit for not knowing how to use your camera, which is a perfectly common problem. If her or her friend were in the picture, then it would be fine, but if she has no investment in it, then she isn't gonna stand around and get bullied, she'll just toss the camera back, or leave it on a table or something. Same thing with leaving her with your camera and expecting her to give it back. If she has some rapport built with you, then she will want to get it back to you, or if she's a really nice person with high morals; but if not, then she's gonna take it, or leave it sitting somewhere where someone else will take it. Then you get to try to track her down if it's in a club or something where there are more than just a few people. Personally if I were to snag a good camera, then I wouldn't care too much about a $5-20 cover. As for the "You guys are the least average looking girls in here" line; it has a possibility of working with the right delivery and if you've got something to follow it up with, but if they ask what that means and you don't have anything good to say, then you look like a dumbass. I think you need to stop trying to re-invent the wheel after 24 hours. Learn the concepts first and understand why and how they work. Try the stuff that already exists out and see how and why it works and then you can impliment your own stuff. thanks for all the information. I've picked up alot of the basics, but I still don't get the layout. You start with an Opener, and then I am lost. Is there a general layout that you can alter a little to your benefit?

Author:	Rye Lee [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:30 pm ]
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I have fun conversations that build attraction and comfort. I don't have a layout. If you're interested in learning, then we (Charisma Concept) are offering courses across North America.

Author:	johncyz [ Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:06 am ]
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how much do these courses cost? And does anyone else have any input on my posts? and I think the layout is like this: Hi...(opener) during the opener throw a few negs, fight against shit tests, a few negs, make sure she knows you aren't insulting her, convince you aren't interested, throw some negs, continue some stories DHVs negs, than close

Author:	Rye Lee [ Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:40 am ]
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Quote: how much do these courses cost? And does anyone else have any input on my posts? and I think the layout is like this: Hi...(opener) during the opener throw a few negs, fight against shit tests, a few negs, make sure she knows you aren't insulting her, convince you aren't interested, throw some negs, continue some stories DHVs negs, than close Well, if some more guys in your area are interested, then The Saint and myself would come down and run a 3 day/night course for $1000 per person. We cater our courses specifically to what you need to become the best you can be, so no time is wasted on stuff that doesn't apply to you and you get the most you can out of our teaching. If you or anyone else is interested in more info, you can email The Saint or myself at thesaint@charismaconcept.com or ryelee@charismaconcept.com

Author:	johncyz [ Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:48 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: how much do these courses cost? And does anyone else have any input on my posts? and I think the layout is like this: Hi...(opener) during the opener throw a few negs, fight against shit tests, a few negs, make sure she knows you aren't insulting her, convince you aren't interested, throw some negs, continue some stories DHVs negs, than close Well, if some more guys in your area are interested, then The Saint and myself would come down and run a 3 day/night course for $1000 per person. We cater our courses specifically to what you need to become the best you can be, so no time is wasted on stuff that doesn't apply to you and you get the most you can out of our teaching. If you or anyone else is interested in more info, you can email The Saint or myself at thesaint@charismaconcept.com or ryelee@charismaconcept.com ok

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