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Author:  cain25 [ Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:53 pm ]
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OK want to hear as many peoples opinion as possible on the topic of direct opening.

I have heard a lot of PUA talking about direct openers is a sign of great confidence. In their opinion Direct openers show to the HB that you are not afraid to go straight up to the girl you like and tell her the brutal truth which takes guts, courage and confidence. It shows that you don't afraid rejection and it removes the awkwardness of the situaton when i girl is thinking why the fuck does he need my opinion?

And on the contrast coming up with some canned material (as opinion opener) as a way to open may seem as you are making an excuse to talk to her which is DLV

What do you think of that?
Some may say that direct openers are for better looking guys, well im 195 sm (about 6.5 feet) and 110 kg guy (about 230 pounds). My face could be better but my body is good :).
Author:  Medic [ Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:02 pm ]
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I'm a huge fan of direct game. I feel that it's much more natural. I'm not worrying about what to say and when to say it. Direct game, like indirect, is just as much about nonverbal communication as it is about what you say. You can come across as a total tool if you are all up tight, you stand square with your head down and mutter "I think you're cute." Give it a shot.

Seriously, why put your stats here? It doesn't matter. A positive, energetic attitude is, in my opinion, more important than good looks. I know that if I'm talking to a chick and she's hot but the minute that she opens her mouth, a bunch of crap falls out, I'm out. If she's slightly less attractive but she's confident and intelligent, I'm game.

Inner game before outer game.
Author:  GILLIE [ Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:58 pm ]
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guys, floss then brush, or brush then floss? or; i just wanted to come over and see if there was more to meet the eye with you/ you guys

, personally, i have had a better experiance with indirect with 3set+, and direct with 1set/2set. aslong as you stick to the 3s rule, then approach a 1 or 2set, you will find it alot easier to use direct openers, as long as you get straight on dhv spikes, stacking etc, it has been field tested by myself and think its important where and when to use certain openers, direct or indirect,

gillie
Author:  mozyFresh [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:56 am ]
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The way i see it is ok as long as your not saying things like your gorgeous, hot, fit, very attractive .etc
But then again you got to think about who has the higher vaule at first, but even if they are lower i still like to keep them guessing, and i dont like to put myself out by saying this and end up looking like prat.
I just stick to things like, your really nice, friendly, i just had to talk to you, i'd like to get to know you better, nice shoes .etc

(am i missing something here?)
Author:  tk750 [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:57 am ]
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The way i see it is ok as long as your not saying things like your gorgeous, hot, fit, very attractive .etc
But then again you got to think about who has the higher vaule at first, but even if they are lower i still like to keep them guessing, and i dont like to put myself out by saying this and end up looking like prat.
I just stick to things like, your really nice, friendly, i just had to talk to you, i'd like to get to know you better, nice shoes .etc

(am i missing something here?)
Nah, when you give them generic compliments like nice shoes and shit like that, girls think its creepy.

I think I'm gonna experiment with direct openers but only with 1 sets. 2 sets may still get a little awkward as you have to deal with ignoring her friend.
Author:  mozyFresh [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:20 am ]
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Note: in the above im talking being direct in general, not just opening.

Why would a girl think that saying 'nice shoes' or 'i like your shoes' is creepy? And how do you know this?

I got a dozen comments on my shoe's yesterday, did i think it was creepy? No
Author:  cain25 [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:02 am ]
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thank you all for your thoughts.

Do you think that direct opening signals more Alpha and confidence compared to indirect openers?
Author:  cain25 [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:41 pm ]
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I found this article on the internet about the direct openers

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So, I was asked for my opinion on direct openers.

You guys know all about this, right? You walk up to a girl and start with something like:

PUA:

You look absolutely gorgeous, I just had to say hi. My name is…

(exchange names)

Why are you special?

Myself, I think direct openers are cool. But then, I’m a direct kind of girl.

This is why they are cool:
1) The interaction is initiated with the target. There is no guessing, “Does he like me? Does he like my friend?” Even when it seems obvious , that can still happen in a set where the girls interpret winning over an obstacle as interest in the obstacle, which in turn may trigger friend loyalty (it does happen, even with girls!) if the obstacle likes you and shut down the target.
2) It shows self confidence, which is a great DHV. I think a PUA has to have a really strong frame to be able to use this technique, because it is more personally exposed with you stating your opinion rather than asking a group of chicks for a bullshit opinion on something neither you nor they care about. (Which is fine as far as it goes, since the point is to get them talking to you.) It ups the ante a little, right off the bat.

Some important considerations when using direct openers:
1) Make her qualify. This is essential. Every AFC in the club has, at some point, used the compliment-”Can I buy you a drink?” combo. The qualification is what makes you different.
2) You have to watch your tone and wording. Women are ultra sensitive to this. To most guys, “What’s special about you?” and “Why are you special?” are identical. They aren’t. “What’s special about you?” is more dismissive. It’s easier to imply that there is nothing special about her, which turns it into a neg almost immediately. And opening with negs is rarely a good idea; they shouldn’t be used until you have an idea what her ego is like, and then only if needed. Same thing goes for tone. Watch how you emphasize words. Language is full of nuances and subtleties for women.

I don’t know if a bar or club environment is the best place to use direct openers since those are the places where bitch shields are most active. I would respond negatively to it in that environment unless it was extremely well done. I could see this working really well during day game, though. Like an approach in a bookstore:

PUA:

You are really stunning. I just had to come over and meet you.

(exchange names)

Are you smart, too?

Direct openers are awesome, and way better than the canned “opinion” routines for guys that have the confidence to use them (and if you don’t, you should be working towards it). They are easily modified to fit the specific situation because it’s more formula than script. (Which all good pickup is anyway.) They feel a lot more genuine; they’d feel even more so if personalized to the girl and the situation:
# You have a beautiful smile./Are you a good dancer?
# You have captivating eyes./Do you speak Italian?
# You have a lovely voice./Can you sail?

Again, be careful not to accidentally neg. The classic “Nice nails. Are they real?” almost seems to fit the compliment-qualify formula. It doesn’t though; you understand why, right?

Word of caution: I do think that there is a higher potential “creepy” factor, if it fails or the delivery is bad.
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Author:  Tyler Dom [ Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct openers!!!
Quote:
OK want to hear as many peoples opinion as possible on the topic of direct opening.

I have heard a lot of PUA talking about direct openers is a sign of great confidence. In their opinion Direct openers show to the HB that you are not afraid to go straight up to the girl you like and tell her the brutal truth which takes guts, courage and confidence. It shows that you don't afraid rejection and it removes the awkwardness of the situaton when i girl is thinking why the fuck does he need my opinion?

And on the contrast coming up with some canned material (as opinion opener) as a way to open may seem as you are making an excuse to talk to her which is DLV

What do you think of that?
Some may say that direct openers are for better looking guys, well im 195 sm (about 6.5 feet) and 110 kg guy (about 230 pounds). My face could be better but my body is good :).
Direct game is true game. Not bullshit lies etc. I totally agree, if a girl came up to me asking me if I brush or floss or what ever I would just not be interested however hot she was!As she is clearly not very interesting.

You don't need to be no Brad Pitt to get girls, you need confidence in your own appearance, I would say I am a bit above average, but I bring more to the table then just looks, I am interesting, self assured and sheer and utter unshakable confidence that can not be crushed by any girl. If a girl rejects me, its her loss, I take it on the chin, and see where I went wrong and learn from my mistakes.

"In order to excel at anything, there are always hurdles, obstacles, or challenges one must get past. It's what bodybuilders call the pain period. Those who push themselves, and are willing to face pain, exhaustion, humiliation, rejection, or worse, are the ones who become champions. The rest are left on the sidelines."--Neil Strauss (Author of The Game).
Author:  tk750 [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:39 am ]
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Note: in the above im talking being direct in general, not just opening.

Why would a girl think that saying 'nice shoes' or 'i like your shoes' is creepy? And how do you know this?

I got a dozen comments on my shoe's yesterday, did i think it was creepy? No
I did have experience with this. I told a girl she had a nice hat and literally the girl next to her was like "That's so creepy". Maybe I presented it in a wrong way but I know the girl that I complimented.

So I dunno, perhaps that other girl is a bitch. I think she just gives me a lot of shit tests and I just sort of take it. I'm thinking about just telling her to shut her whiny little voice. Seriously, I don't give a fuck what she or her friend thinks. Come to think of it, next time she throws one of those comments "You're so weird" or "You're creepy", I'm gonna nail her.
Author:  Tyler Dom [ Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:33 pm ]
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Quote:
Note: in the above im talking being direct in general, not just opening.

Why would a girl think that saying 'nice shoes' or 'i like your shoes' is creepy? And how do you know this?

I got a dozen comments on my shoe's yesterday, did i think it was creepy? No
I did have experience with this. I told a girl she had a nice hat and literally the girl next to her was like "That's so creepy". Maybe I presented it in a wrong way but I know the girl that I complimented.

So I dunno, perhaps that other girl is a bitch. I think she just gives me a lot of shit tests and I just sort of take it. I'm thinking about just telling her to shut her whiny little voice. Seriously, I don't give a fuck what she or her friend thinks. Come to think of it, next time she throws one of those comments "You're so weird" or "You're creepy", I'm gonna nail her.

If you are to compliment someone make sure it ticks the following boxes:

-delivery!If you don't really think it is a nice hat, then you are going to come of as fake, if it is the most horrendous thing you have seen, don't bring it up!

-how soon?If you have just met the girl, you don't want to give her a compliment, every guy with no game does that thinking she will like you more--the answer is she won't if SHE IS USED TO IT i.e. she is Hot Babe 8+.

I like the way you tried to be more creative, it is not often someone compliments a girl for their fashion sense when referring to a hat,but who knows you could be the 3rd person that day that commented on her hat!

I tend not to give compliments, as much unless a girl deserves them!I never compliment a girl on her appearance as she probably gets it all the time if she is hot!However when you get to know the girl, say something about their attitude, sense of humour etc. If you have game you probably know what I am talking about if not the skies the limit with compliments to give.
Author:  manman [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:47 am ]
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Some nice posts here. In my opinion, since i go direct about 99% of the time, I've learned a few things from actual field experiences.

--If you go up nervous, its because you need to get your inner beliefs straight. and she will get nervous and think your nervous and awkward, and it wont work..

--Make sure you stare into her eyes and MEAN what your saying. And after you open her, wait...dont let your mind start thinking. Let her feel you, and then you can ask sometihng like "i HAD to come talk to you." And with this, keep strong eye contact going, and tease her, (its what i do) Ive had girls melt. i don't know how, but i did it.

--WHAT you say DOESN'T MATTER!! You can talk about ANYTHING and if you are looking at her the right way, if she's interested, she will want you. Never worry about what to say. If your thinking "ok, im here, lets see, approach #5, what am i gonna say?" no, don't have anything on your mind, just how beautiful she is. If you wanna hear about showing high value, Stand firm,relaxed, non reactant to what she says, direct eye contact. Ive gone up to cuties in the mall and said "no, you are too cute, you need to leave" lol It worked, why? becaues it was genuine, and it didnt seem like i planned it. Yea this post is raggedy i know, but i brainstorm sometimes. But this is actual field experience
Author:  Brad- [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:26 pm ]
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Some nice posts here. In my opinion, since i go direct about 99% of the time, I've learned a few things from actual field experiences.

--If you go up nervous, its because you need to get your inner beliefs straight. and she will get nervous and think your nervous and awkward, and it wont work..

--Make sure you stare into her eyes and MEAN what your saying. And after you open her, wait...dont let your mind start thinking. Let her feel you, and then you can ask sometihng like "i HAD to come talk to you." And with this, keep strong eye contact going, and tease her, (its what i do) Ive had girls melt. i don't know how, but i did it.

--WHAT you say DOESN'T MATTER!! You can talk about ANYTHING and if you are looking at her the right way, if she's interested, she will want you. Never worry about what to say. If your thinking "ok, im here, lets see, approach #5, what am i gonna say?" no, don't have anything on your mind, just how beautiful she is. If you wanna hear about showing high value, Stand firm,relaxed, non reactant to what she says, direct eye contact. Ive gone up to cuties in the mall and said "no, you are too cute, you need to leave" lol It worked, why? becaues it was genuine, and it didnt seem like i planned it. Yea this post is raggedy i know, but i brainstorm sometimes. But this is actual field experience
Yep, this is good. Kinda keying in on the more "natural" game style.

I open direct almost every time. Just something simple...

"Ur cute."

As long as you mean it, it won't appear creepy. Saying something like "I like your hat." what are the subcommunications there...

"Hi, I think you are hot so I am going to compliment you on your hat and hope you will like me for complimenting you."

Nope, just cut to the chase. "Hi, I think you are hot and I wanted to talk to you."

If you state your true intentions, it is never creepy. But if you are trying to manipulate them into liking you or buy them a drink or something... That can be perceived as creepy...
Author:  FNB [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:55 pm ]
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If you walk over to a girl and use the universal opener "Hi!..." and continue to start learning who she is. Is that direct or indirect? I was just wondering about this one. I'm always direct and never indirect when I approach a girl. That would not be honest to either me or the girl.
Author:  manman [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:14 am ]
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Honestly, it has NOTHING to do with what you say. So yea, you can say "hi" and creep her out, and you can say "hi" and intrigue her. It's all about whats behind the words. Ultimately it comes down to what you think about your self. Inner stuff. SO for example, i was at work today and this freakin nine walked in, with her friend and a dude. And i noticed her looking at me, (happens alot lol) so, when she finally came back to check out, i asked, "what? you don't have enough money?" and boom! It was SO on. but the way i was looking at her said "i want you, and i know you want me" no questions asked.

Its all about what you believe in yourself. It has nothing to do with what you say at all.
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