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Author:  SirPounce [ Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:37 am ]
Post subject:  Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

Just wanted to pool our thoughts together in a discussion on online dating. Please take all of this with a grain of salt and open mind:

I don't believe the human mind was built for the online dating scene.

Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women. Worse even, men 'over-compliment' women in hopes of getting laid, making her think her value is far beyond what is realistic. So, more or less, 5's become 10's, 10's become 20's etc.

Without a doubt you can still establish your value online, but I feel like because of what online dating does to female psychology and because a woman can't experience your presence, body language etc... online dating is a hurdle for the PUA.

What are your thoughts? Do you agree, disagree or have any other angles / points to bring up on this subject?

Also, if anyone wants to take a moment to give some advice on online dating that would be interesting.

I'll share some things I've seen. Freddie Few had a good idea, once a girl gives you her number it's often a good idea to just call her instead of text as it establishes a more tangible and emotional connection. Most girls don't expect since most guys think it's too forward, but if you're a good conversationalist and have a easy going and relaxed tone, it's been very successful for me.

Also, giving off the vibe that online dating more or less just a joke to you (you don't need it, you're just being playful and having some fun). Having pictures that are a little outlandish (you with an eye patch and relaxed in a chair drinking a beer... not caring...

Anyways, these are my thoughts, I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone's thoughts are on this.

Author:  R.C [ Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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I don't believe the human mind was built for the online dating scene.
The human mind can adapt to many things. If it weren't "built" for online dating, online dating wouldn't be so successful.

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Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women. Worse even, men 'over-compliment' women in hopes of getting laid,
Yeah. That only happens online. :lol:
Dude that has been and happening in real life long before online became popular. Online simply allows idiots to manifest their questionable intelligence far easier. It equally allows smart guys to do their own thing.
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making her think her value is far beyond what is realistic. So, more or less, 5's become 10's, 10's become 20's etc.
Women are women. If you have a problem with a "5" becoming a "10", that's because you think you need to treat them differently based on how attractive you perceive them. Which is one of the main reasons guys don't get laid.
And sure, some are under the impression that the Sun shines outta their own ass but who'd want to be around someone like that in the first place?

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Without a doubt you can still establish your value online, but I feel like because of what online dating does to female psychology and because a woman can't experience your presence, body language etc... online dating is a hurdle for the PUA.
You don't need to "establish" anything proactively. Online nor in real life. If you're trying to "DHV" you're already failing, simply because actually being of high value will not require you to try and demonstrate that. It all roots from the abundance mindset. If one girl can't recognize what's right in front of her, the next one will. And there's a difference between reading that sentence and understanding it.
Basically, rich people don't carry huge "I'm rich" signs around them. They don't need to.

Anyway, your presence, your body language, the way you talk or write, these are just tools that express your personality, because they're fundamentally influenced by it. A weak character will not stand up tall. He will not be a challenge. He will not be daring.
Whether it's online or in real life the principle is the same. The goal is to express your personality. Whether it's verbal or virtual, it's irrelevant.

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What are your thoughts? Do you agree, disagree or have any other angles / points to bring up on this subject?

Also, if anyone wants to take a moment to give some advice on online dating that would be interesting.

I'll share some things I've seen. Freddie Few had a good idea, once a girl gives you her number it's often a good idea to just call her instead of text as it establishes a more tangible and emotional connection. Most girls don't expect since most guys think it's too forward, but if you're a good conversationalist and have a easy going and relaxed tone, it's been very successful for me.

Also, giving off the vibe that online dating more or less just a joke to you (you don't need it, you're just being playful and having some fun). Having pictures that are a little outlandish (you with an eye patch and relaxed in a chair drinking a beer... not caring...

Anyways, these are my thoughts, I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone's thoughts are on this.
You need to experiment around and find what suits your personality best. Personally I rarely ever call. I'm busy most of the time and texting is far more practical but to be honest I also enjoy it far more. And it's always worked perfectly for me.
At the same time Eddie Fews is a testament for calling. And that's been working out for him.
There's no cookie-cutter method. This isn't an exact science, it's an artform.

The only real thing you need to understand is yourself. Who you are and how you can improve on that. I've seen far too many introverts trying to suddenly be extroverts, good guys trying to be "bad boys", and idiots who can barely afford rent dress up in all Armani. It's no wonder they fail miserably. You can only fake it for so long.

Be yourself is a little far fetched. The true term is be your best self. Work towards achieving that. But there's a reason why women spew that advice to you all day everyday. The masculine frame is stronger. She will follow your lead. She just wants you to be confident in it. Because if you're not, neither will she.

Author:  oceanx [ Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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I feel like because of what online dating does to female psychology and because a woman can't experience your presence, body language etc... online dating is a hurdle for the PUA.
I mean I agree with this sentiment - it's basically like, I don't want to waste the time with online dating even tho I'm on tinder or whatever, i just feel like it's a joke. You hit the nail on the head as to my reason why. She cannot feel your aura and presence. You're just another guy on Tinder and it requires zero balls to "approach" her there. Zero. If you approach that same girl IRL, since women are mirrors, she may react according to your positive vibe. The very fact that you start nonchalantly speaking with a woman in public is an immediate draw to her, and it flows from there.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women.
Exactly where the newbie should start. Learn what works, and what doesn't. A lot of men that come here looking for advise have never said ANYTHING sexual to a woman. It's simple. If a woman online, or IRL responds in a positive manner, your good, if she responds in the negative, or goes silent, it's then likely you've fucked up. Move on.

Limits exist only in the mind! The good 'ol webernet is, limitless.

Author:  oceanx [ Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Limits exist only in the mind!
Truer words have never been spoken.

Author:  SirPounce [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

Thanks for all the responses, I agree with everything said here. I do wish someone had some tips or perspectives on the online / texting game. I think my biggest problem at the moment is I don't have good photos. I need to find someone to take interesting and fun pictures of me that show who I am, not just a boring ass pose or cliche hobby.

Some tips I've gathered:

Make sure your profile conveys that you don't take online dating seriously, as if it's kind of a joke and you were bored.

An example might be: "You don't have to be a model for me to respond, but if you are a model please prove to me that you aren't all crazy."

Another big one is have fun and unique profile pictures especially as your main picture. For example, wear an eye patch and drink a beer in a big lazy boy chair with sensual lighting.. idk?

Author:  oceanx [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

Search for Dragula's posts here about your Tinder profile.

Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Search for Dragula's posts here about your Tinder profile.
This.

Author:  Reaver4k [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

Online dating is ruining dating and social interaction between people.

With online dating its very difficult to display confidence, use body language, show sexual interest and build attraction.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Online dating is ruining dating and social interaction between people.

With online dating its very difficult to display confidence, use body language, show sexual interest and build attraction.
Things change, adapt to change. Thrive in change.

Author:  oceanx [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Online dating is ruining dating and social interaction between people.

With online dating its very difficult to display confidence, use body language, show sexual interest and build attraction.
Then don't online date. Problem solved.

Author:  Warped Mindless [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Online dating is ruining dating and social interaction between people.

With online dating its very difficult to display confidence, use body language, show sexual interest and build attraction.
With the exception of body language its very possible to display all of those things online.

Author:  Eddie Fews [ Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women. Worse even, men 'over-compliment' women in hopes of getting laid, making her think her value is far beyond what is realistic. So, more or less, 5's become 10's, 10's become 20's etc.
I addressed this in an article I wrote.

These men all blow themselves out in about 3-5 months. Men that are using online dating as a cheat all end up having relationships that average 5 months at most before the women they're with catch onto their shit.

You're not going to cheat truly developing your character, online dating just makes it a bit easier.

Author:  SirPounce [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women. Worse even, men 'over-compliment' women in hopes of getting laid, making her think her value is far beyond what is realistic. So, more or less, 5's become 10's, 10's become 20's etc.
I addressed this in an article I wrote.

These men all blow themselves out in about 3-5 months. Men that are using online dating as a cheat all end up having relationships that average 5 months at most before the women they're with catch onto their shit.

You're not going to cheat truly developing your character, online dating just makes it a bit easier.
Thanks for responding Eddie, I'd love to see that article. You're my idol in the community so far! <3

Author:  Eddie Fews [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Women, Gynocentrism and the Digital Age

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Most men are wired to fear the approach and therefore exercise varying degrees of restraint. Now, with the anonymity of social and dating sites, men are fearless and express overt, and sometimes even vulgar interest in women. Worse even, men 'over-compliment' women in hopes of getting laid, making her think her value is far beyond what is realistic. So, more or less, 5's become 10's, 10's become 20's etc.
I addressed this in an article I wrote.

These men all blow themselves out in about 3-5 months. Men that are using online dating as a cheat all end up having relationships that average 5 months at most before the women they're with catch onto their shit.

You're not going to cheat truly developing your character, online dating just makes it a bit easier.
Thanks for responding Eddie, I'd love to see that article. You're my idol in the community so far! <3
I'm flattered.

Here goes: pua-lounge/you-met-someone-special-vt194307.html

Its also on my site.

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