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Author:  Impact [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Sticking points.
Im going to try this routine out, i just wanted to know what everyone thinks.

I open (my very own shoe opener).

(about to leave posture) Oh hey girls just really quickly i need a opinion on something, me and my friends over there were having a argument and i thought wed get a female opinion on the subject. What do you think of the shoes im currently wearing? are they too trendy or are they alright? bla bla what shoes do girls usually like on guys! bla bla oh really? hows so? bla bla, what about your shoes huh? what about my shoes bla? well see we were arguing how a guy or girls shoe should demonstrate someone personality, how do yours demonstrate your personality? bla bla oh really? i don't really like those shoes that much, (points at target shoes) but they look good on you! bla bla! Yeah shoes are fun, well i better go, oh wait how do you girls know each other? (I face them) oh thats great, well speaking of shoes you should meet my friend over there hes a fashion expert, omg you have to meet this guy hes great!.. (forward merge)

Everyone this is this and that, but be careful this one bites (points to target).

(stuck) now i don't know what to do. Do i go into A3 here? or A2? how do i do A2?

Ps: Usually here i go into another routine i keep negging the target, sometimes i leave the merged set and number close, but its not very solid game, ive skipped alot.

Very open to any and all suggestions or critic.

-Impact
Author:  Slai [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:44 am ]
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Dont they say that as a rule of thumb you go into a3 after the target IOIs you 3 times during A2?

approach, hook, 3 IOIs, reward her with IOI, isolate, and go into comfort?
Author:  Impact [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:49 am ]
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How do you isolate? Sticking here

and how do you get them to give you IOI? stuck here aswell.
Author:  Slai [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:18 am ]
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Well, basically IOIs come from her to you during A2 (thats what A2 is, as far as i remember from Mystery Method), and she dishes out some IOIs when she feels interested in you. She feels interested in you when you provide higher value, by your opener and routines, the negs also are meant to lower her respective value to you (its a form of DLV on her).

IOIs just come. She asks your name, she smiles at you, she laughs at your jokes, her body language is open towards you, and all those other ones.

3 of those, and you can reward her IOIs with your own IOIs. Smiling at her, complimenting something you like about her (sense of humor, wit, or so).

Euhm.. then you can just go "your friend obviously is making moves on my buddy, so lets sit over here for abit and ill show you something really cool", or "oh i like your wit, lemme play a game with you." then take her hand and point to your isolationarea, and just lead her there. Do some test while leading her there, like squeezing her hand to see if she squeezes back, and/or loosening your grip on her hand to see if she grips back or reinstates the handholding as you walk her there.

Sound good?
Author:  Impact [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:26 am ]
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Yep yep, good stuff! i already knew the hand "trust test" thanks, I understand how to get her to give me IOI now, and how to isolate! So when I've isolated do i build comfort? go into things like (comfort routine) so what do you do? have you traveled alot? find commonalities, develop a emotional connection, and why we were mente to meet at this time and place, and than once thats done go into physical connection than a possible number close?
Author:  Slai [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:41 am ]
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Yeah, after that build comfort, dont forget to keep escalating the kino. Push/pull, teasing. Good rapport is built through simply interacting and having a conversation with her, by using conversational skills to keep the interaction flowing and smooth, and by allowing her to show interest and investment in the conversation by placing alot of hooks in your stories.

A hook is what the Juggler method guys call the words used in a story that can spark another story.

Like if she says "Oh, when i was nine, i had a dog named Tumble, and hed ALWAYS run through the sprinklers during the summer and splash me with water when i took him out for a walk!"

Now you can take each of these hookwords and use them to relate to her story with a story of your own.

You can hook that into a story about your old buddy that was nicknamed Tumble, a funny thing that happened to you when you were nine, a story about a pet you had, a story about you running late for an important dinner and having to run through sprinklers, telling her why you love the summer so much, a time you got held down by two girls then got sprayed with ice cold water, or about that peaceful walk you had the other week.

Your story should also have quite a few hookpoints, this allows her to much easier relate to your story with one of her own, which makes it easier for her to invest in your conversation. And the more invested she becomes, the more rapport you will have.

Obviously dont forget to give her an SOI.

But always go for the actual close instead of the phonenumber if you can.


hope this helps somewhat :s
Author:  Impact [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:25 pm ]
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I understand everything accept a SOI and how to perform a actual close.

With the actual close, lets say its a two or three set and i have isolated and kino my taget, would i have to get the target out of the venue first? like rough idea " omg i know this awsome food shop just down the road, i have to show you this special dish i tryd, its to amazing " than walk over to the set and say " me and the brat are leaving, is that alright with everyone?, than neutralise her friend by saying heres my number if youd like call me if your worried, shell be with me " than leave for the food place?

and how would i take her to my place after?

thanks again, really appreciated!
Author:  Slai [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:47 pm ]
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Well, you could just venuechange straight from the club and back home to you if its going really great, or you could establish great rapport by getting her to grab a bite to eat first.

Yeah thats a good way to venuechange with the target. Make sure her friend is comfortable with you two leaving, and do just that. Then when it comes to going from the foodplace and back home, you could just go "come back to my place and watch my wallpaper, its awesome" or anything equivalent to the old "wanna see my stampcollection?". By the time shes ok to go back to your place, almost any excuse will do. Anything that can make her justify going back to your place without feeling like a slut, so she can backwards rationalize and think "i just went with him to meet his cat, and one thing led to another...".

SOI is basically when you state your intent to the woman. This is like in A3 or C1 generally. Just you saying "not only are you sexy, but youre funny too, i like that", or something of the sorts. To specify that you DO want her to consider you a sexual interest and that you consider her that as well. This allows her to come on to you more without feeling like a slut.
Author:  Impact [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:56 am ]
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Thanks alot :)
Author:  Slai [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:44 pm ]
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Yeah, you might wanna get a second opinion though, but glad if i helped :P .
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