I don't like this idea too much. A few other posters have pretty much expressed a variation of the same idea that you have over the last few days. Here's the reason that I call this a bad idea. It's starting you in a negative place. You meet a girl and she's not interested...then she introduces you to her friends and they find out that the original girl wasn't interested. Your value has gone down in the eyes of the other women.

I've known a lot of guys that have fucked their girlfriend's best friend behind her back. I've broken up with girls and in turn fucked some of their friends. It's because the girlfriend has given me/them value. It's like an endorsement. What you're suggesting reverses that effect with her friends. If she doesn't want you then her friend's will likely follow suit.

See I did kind of rush this post and knew there was some holes. I agree totally with what you're saying. If you already in a negative position of course this will work. But I mean position where you social value is good. Eg a girl friend of yours given you social value to her other friends or a girl that is interested in you but you don't like, is mainly where this would work. Also you will still need good game to this, im not saying is an easy way out. Just saying if it's done correctly half of the work has been done.

I'm still by no means a master of game,but from how how bad I was or rather misunderstood things. This idea can be a good one. Eg. My friends birthday, his girl friend had obviously spoken about me and gave me some good social value. She kept wanting to hug me and speak to me( all signs of interest) I was so oblivious to this. I thought she likes me but didn't understand the signs that I do now which would basiclsly have meant that I could fuck her.

We was in a bed, she moved a lot in her sleep and at one point wrapped her legs round me. At the time I was so naive and was like oh she's asleep, and oh she's got a Bf trying to rationalise this to myself as to why I should be a good boy and not do anything. Now I would of woke her ass straight up and it would have been completely different.

But that's what game is a learning experience so you don't make the same mistakes twice.

But that long ass story over, still think it's an opportunity to explore.

Ok this a question as well as some advice. Hear me you, you're thinking friendzone WHO THE FUCK wants to be put in that. In all honesty the friendzone, in one sense is one of the most underrated and overlooked part of game. Let me expand.

Girls tend to have.... girl friends, simple so far. Great. Now not every girl you want to meet, or meet you want to fuck. However she may have hot friends that you'd bang. The best thing about it, if she's a friend of a friend( in the genuine sense of the term friend) she will have given you automatic social proof( if you've played your cards right) And you kind of onto a winner. All the hard work is done, Girls tend to no tons of girls. Think of it like planting a seed of a tree. Plant a few seeds, those trees eventually sprout branches, and some of those branches have branches attached to them. Thats what it can be like if you get in with the right girls.

Now where can you use this or how can you use this,this is part of my problem explained in the following.

I can do this with girls i already know, but these are only short term leads, the key i believe is converting the NEW girls that don't want to bang you or the opposite you don't want to bang them.Any suggestions on getting into the friend zone, with the types of girls mentioned above or when interest is low (what i like to call "no mans land") ?

yes.