PUA Forum :: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson

Just treat people as equals. Treat them the way you'd want them to treat you. Without trying to overwhelm you with books, maybe consider reading Dale Carnegie - How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's one of the oldest, and best self development books of all time. I reread it not so long ago and half of it seemed new to me.

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Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote?

It's really not based on how you treat people. It's mostly based on how people treat you and what they say about you when you're not there.

Discard the concept of "Status" and learn the concept of "Relevant status". It's also not just about "people" but "People the woman considers important". You can be beloved in your bible study class, but if her friends wouldn't be impressed with you and be jealous of her for getting you, you don't have relevant status. Being well connected in the art community is great if the girl is an artist. But if she's an engineer, it's basically worthless.

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Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote?

It's an ironic sig. Which I've personally stopped doing, as too many people take it as an actual endorsement for nonsense.

Mark's basically talking about having a frame of abundance. If you treat yourself well, nurture your soul, do what makes your heart sing etc... without it being contingent on any one person but yourself, that positive energy will emanate from you and attract others.

So its a win/win. The more you invest in yourself, the more u'll attract women and THAT is part of what he speaks about on the topic of status.

Excellent audiobook btw, one of the best in recent memory on the subject of women. His website blog has some fantastic articles too.

I don't know how to treat myself well other than build my business, eat healthy, and join a gym.

And no one said anything about real estate AGENTS... I said INVESTORS. Think Donald Trump, not the guy at the Watson office.

I read the book AFTER i had already mastered the game which is why i can vouch for it

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"I don't know how to not sink, other than flapping my arms about to remain buoyant."

I'm not sure what you mean with your second sentence.

If you feel you truly don't know how to treat yourself well then I suggest you brainstorm a list of things that you'd like to do that you would consider treating yourself well.

Mine, for example is:

-composing music
-playing my guitar
-rewarding myself for the effort I put into a project or task
-making myself a nice meal
-going for a nature walk
-playing with my puppy
-re-connecting with somebody important to me
-having a netflix night to myself
-going for a bike ride
-working out
-taking a bath and reading a book
-learning something new (self-improvement)
-reading a book
-journalling
-meditate for 15 minutes
etc..etc..

It's basically ANYTHING I can do that helps me connect to myself that's not contingent upon others or their approval.

Treating yourself well can also extend to how you engage with others. For example, if you defer to others for validation or OPINIONS (e.g., what you should do in a relationship) you are NOT in fact treating yourself well. Rather, you are DISEMPOWERING yourself to TRUST in your own experience and make your own decisions. Just look at the myriad of posters on this board coming here looking for advice. It comes back to the old adage "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".

So as with anything (and I know I'm digressing a bit), ask yourself "how is this behavior/action helping me evolve to the best version of myself possible?" And if it's not, cut it rather than veer off the tracks and end up focusing your energies in trying to 'fix' an untenable life situation.

Author:	redstar1324 [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:	How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
So I've been reading "Models" by Mark Manson. By far the best book I've read on any of these topics. It says one thing that women are universally attracted to is status. It also says that status is not necessarily determined by material wealth, but by behavior. It says behavior is divided into 3 categories. 1. how you treat other people 2. how other people treat you 3. how you treat yourself How should I treat other people? Maybe this is something I should have learned in kindergarten, but perhaps I didn't. What are the basic guidelines for how to treat other people? With respect? Honesty? Am I close? I think #2 would improve when I improve #1. #3 is pretty easy. Just stay healthy. Also, although my reputation on this forum is not the best, I would like to offer a piece of advice to anyone that wants it, needs it, or will listen. For anyone looking for a "magic pill" that will make them better with women, it is described in that book. Dress better. I followed exactly what the book said. Wear a black suit jacket, a colored button-down underneath, well-fitting jeans, with black shoes and black socks. When I dress like this, I am always the best-dressed guy around. And I notice I get about 20x more looks that I would if I were just wearing a polo shirt. Since I started doing this, I have been told I look like Joaquin Phoenix twice and Matthew McConaughey twice.

Author:	J.Daniels [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
Just treat people as equals. Treat them the way you'd want them to treat you. Without trying to overwhelm you with books, maybe consider reading Dale Carnegie - How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's one of the oldest, and best self development books of all time. I reread it not so long ago and half of it seemed new to me.

Author:	redstar1324 [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
Quote: Just treat people as equals. Treat them the way you'd want them to treat you. Without trying to overwhelm you with books, maybe consider reading Dale Carnegie - How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's one of the oldest, and best self development books of all time. I reread it not so long ago and half of it seemed new to me. Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote?

Author:	J.Daniels [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:53 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Just treat people as equals. Treat them the way you'd want them to treat you. Without trying to overwhelm you with books, maybe consider reading Dale Carnegie - How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's one of the oldest, and best self development books of all time. I reread it not so long ago and half of it seemed new to me. Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote? New guy on the forum, trying to sell his coaching. He's the new Neil Strauss (meaning he's shit)

Author:	Versalis [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:57 pm ]
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It's really not based on how you treat people. It's mostly based on how people treat you and what they say about you when you're not there. Discard the concept of "Status" and learn the concept of "Relevant status". It's also not just about "people" but "People the woman considers important". You can be beloved in your bible study class, but if her friends wouldn't be impressed with you and be jealous of her for getting you, you don't have relevant status. Being well connected in the art community is great if the girl is an artist. But if she's an engineer, it's basically worthless. Quote: Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote? It's an ironic sig. Which I've personally stopped doing, as too many people take it as an actual endorsement for nonsense.

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Author:	redstar1324 [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:46 am ]
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Quote: It's really not based on how you treat people. It's mostly based on how people treat you and what they say about you when you're not there. Discard the concept of "Status" and learn the concept of "Relevant status". It's also not just about "people" but "People the woman considers important". You can be beloved in your bible study class, but if her friends wouldn't be impressed with you and be jealous of her for getting you, you don't have relevant status. Being well connected in the art community is great if the girl is an artist. But if she's an engineer, it's basically worthless. Quote: Who is "The Model" that wrote that quote? It's an ironic sig. Which I've personally stopped doing, as too many people take it as an actual endorsement for nonsense. That is described in the book as demographics. A wealthy real estate investor would not impress a girl who likes thugs, for example.

Author:	Versalis [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
That sounds more like a type than status. There are thugs with lots of status and thugs with no status. Real estate agents with lots of status and real estate agents with very little(though rarely none). I'm saying status is basically "What the people she cares about, think about you and how they act towards you". And the most important part, how that reflects on her. The reason women are drawn to powerful men, is because it makes her feel good about herself. She has this guy with lots of options. She's special. Other people like him, and he likes her more than other women. She feels like she's indirectly receiving all of his praise and approval. I know some guys are like "But my girl does all sorts of stuff for me!". Yes, but only things that fulfill some need in the girl(probably a nurturing one). If you're awesome and she does stuff for you that she doesn't want to do, it won't make her happy and she will wander off. Meanwhile if she finds a total scrub and feels good about doing stuff for him(even if that stuff is something like going out to get some crack for him, because he's too strung out to get it himself), she will. But it all relates back to her and her motivations. So if you always remember that everything is always about her, you'll pick up on the status thing a lot better. You don't need to be generally popular. You just need to appeal to the people she cares about to have "status". In some cases, that may even require being unpopular in general. You want the people she cares about, to admire and respect you and praise you. And think she's lucky to have you. and couldn't possibly do better. That's when status matters.

Author:	R.C [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
It's good that you took up Models. That's the only book I'd put my name on the line for. Consider getting the audiobook version too. Mark reads it himself, it'll give you quite a new perspective and adds more depth. Anyway, the thing is that how you treat other people is a reflection of how you treat yourself. Ever met one of those people how always find something to complain about? Or someone who always finds flaws with someone else even though it's entirely uncalled for / irrelevant? Their over-negativism is nothing but a reflection of their inner state. Personally I treat other people as I feel they deserve. But again, the way I feel is mostly a reflection of my inner state. If a waiter accidentally spills my drink over me and I see them panicking, I won't be making a scene and potentially get him/her in trouble in the process for a piece of cloth. I'll most likely laugh it off with them and tip regardless.

Author:	n2thevoid [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
Mark's basically talking about having a frame of abundance. If you treat yourself well, nurture your soul, do what makes your heart sing etc... without it being contingent on any one person but yourself, that positive energy will emanate from you and attract others. So its a win/win. The more you invest in yourself, the more u'll attract women and THAT is part of what he speaks about on the topic of status. Excellent audiobook btw, one of the best in recent memory on the subject of women. His website blog has some fantastic articles too.

Author:	redstar1324 [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How should I treat other people? (Mark Manson - Models)
Quote: Mark's basically talking about having a frame of abundance. If you treat yourself well, nurture your soul, do what makes your heart sing etc... without it being contingent on any one person but yourself, that positive energy will emanate from you and attract others. So its a win/win. The more you invest in yourself, the more u'll attract women and THAT is part of what he speaks about on the topic of status. Excellent audiobook btw, one of the best in recent memory on the subject of women. His website blog has some fantastic articles too. I don't know how to treat myself well other than build my business, eat healthy, and join a gym. And no one said anything about real estate AGENTS... I said INVESTORS. Think Donald Trump, not the guy at the Watson office.

Author:	dtrak [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:16 pm ]
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I'm really glad the book "Models" by mark mason is catching on. Is definately good principles and very simple and common sense. Props to him for writing it such a simple and strong work of art. Hopefully guys will read that book and actually take action. Getting girls is incredibly simple. I read the book a while back but i remember saying "Oh this is spot on" I read the book AFTER i had already mastered the game which is why i can vouch for it. Good knowledge to live by. Now that should take care of the "getting girls" part. If you're looking for other good reads about how to live happy i'd recommend "The monk who sold his ferrari" by robin sharma (i think thats the guy) Success with women is a given. Success in life is a must.

Author:	n2thevoid [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:41 pm ]
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Quote: I don't know how to treat myself well other than build my business, eat healthy, and join a gym. And no one said anything about real estate AGENTS... I said INVESTORS. Think Donald Trump, not the guy at the Watson office. "I don't know how to not sink, other than flapping my arms about to remain buoyant." I'm not sure what you mean with your second sentence. If you feel you truly don't know how to treat yourself well then I suggest you brainstorm a list of things that you'd like to do that you would consider treating yourself well. Mine, for example is: -composing music -playing my guitar -rewarding myself for the effort I put into a project or task -making myself a nice meal -going for a nature walk -playing with my puppy -re-connecting with somebody important to me -having a netflix night to myself -going for a bike ride -working out -taking a bath and reading a book -learning something new (self-improvement) -reading a book -journalling -meditate for 15 minutes etc..etc.. It's basically ANYTHING I can do that helps me connect to myself that's not contingent upon others or their approval. Treating yourself well can also extend to how you engage with others. For example, if you defer to others for validation or OPINIONS (e.g., what you should do in a relationship) you are NOT in fact treating yourself well. Rather, you are DISEMPOWERING yourself to TRUST in your own experience and make your own decisions. Just look at the myriad of posters on this board coming here looking for advice. It comes back to the old adage "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". So as with anything (and I know I'm digressing a bit), ask yourself "how is this behavior/action helping me evolve to the best version of myself possible?" And if it's not, cut it rather than veer off the tracks and end up focusing your energies in trying to 'fix' an untenable life situation.

Author:	Dragula [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:19 pm ]
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Quote: I read the book AFTER i had already mastered the game which is why i can vouch for it What qualifies you to use the label....'master'?

Author:	R.C [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:36 pm ]
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I dislike dtrak

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Author:	redstar1324 [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:02 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I don't know how to treat myself well other than build my business, eat healthy, and join a gym. And no one said anything about real estate AGENTS... I said INVESTORS. Think Donald Trump, not the guy at the Watson office. "I don't know how to not sink, other than flapping my arms about to remain buoyant." I'm not sure what you mean with your second sentence. If you feel you truly don't know how to treat yourself well then I suggest you brainstorm a list of things that you'd like to do that you would consider treating yourself well. Mine, for example is: -composing music -playing my guitar -rewarding myself for the effort I put into a project or task -making myself a nice meal -going for a nature walk -playing with my puppy -re-connecting with somebody important to me -having a netflix night to myself -going for a bike ride -working out -taking a bath and reading a book -learning something new (self-improvement) -reading a book -journalling -meditate for 15 minutes etc..etc.. It's basically ANYTHING I can do that helps me connect to myself that's not contingent upon others or their approval. Treating yourself well can also extend to how you engage with others. For example, if you defer to others for validation or OPINIONS (e.g., what you should do in a relationship) you are NOT in fact treating yourself well. Rather, you are DISEMPOWERING yourself to TRUST in your own experience and make your own decisions. Just look at the myriad of posters on this board coming here looking for advice. It comes back to the old adage "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". So as with anything (and I know I'm digressing a bit), ask yourself "how is this behavior/action helping me evolve to the best version of myself possible?" And if it's not, cut it rather than veer off the tracks and end up focusing your energies in trying to 'fix' an untenable life situation. I treat myself well by building my business. In the last two weeks, I have improved my home construction skills to the point where I can build much of a house by myself or with minimal help. I am about to build a house for $73,000 and hopefully sell it for $140,000. Then, I will do this same thing on the outskirts of San Jose, CA because I can sell the same $73,000 house for $700,000. Home values are 5.5x as much there. I will repeat this process a few times and then put money down on apartment complexes or hotels (haven't decided yet). Then, I will use the income from the first apartment complex/hotel to secure a loan for a second, then a third, 4th, 5th, 6th, .... 1000th. "Getting girls is easy"..... Uhhhhhhh.... You lost me on that one. It should be - judging from the fact that somebody on this forum said they don't even have a car. Part of me thinks that obsessing about women is detracting from my life. But what am I going to do? Ignore it until I'm too old for anyone attractive to like me? What am I missing? The word " personality" comes to mind. Plus, I still don't talk to anyone when I go out. They are usually surrounded by guys they already know. PS: Dragula responded to my post! Yay! I'm moving up in the world! (even though he was actually responding to someone else)