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Author:  overcast [ Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Speak to me your wisdom
Hey guys Overcast here, I am having some confusing thoughts lately about the whole process of pickup.

First off, the area in which I am starting this adventure at a heightened state is not the best place to attract even 7's per say, especially at night. I grew up in this town and moved to a larger city where I was enlightened to start the process of being a fun/social person who women wanted aka PUA :lol:. I have built an enormous sense of self confidence in that I say whatever I want when an interaction does occur. After moving back to this small area, going out is very depressing in that people seemed extremely needy...

Anyway... here are the current issues bombarding my head at this time,

I feel that I am having an awesome time since the things that I am saying or doing are making me laugh. The interactions that I make are very funny, but the dry spell continues. Of course I am confused after a couple of instances that I have had/having.

Instance 1: This was a tinder experience in which I landed a number and I soon got the girl to share some very intimate things about herself. I never met her in person, but still managed to get her to talk sexually in a really nice way :twisted: After the incident however I seen I was removed from social media and I have not heard from her. Of course I am not upset, and I am sure she had a good reason to pull back. So I take that as an awesome/fun encounter and when that time comes when I see her out on the town, there is already a connection. 8)

Instance 2: This one I played a little slower, had lunch was my awesome self and threw out some good negs. The date was not too exciting considering the girl was lethargic as shit and seemed very quiet. I did get some life out of her occasionally and joked about how she was boring, which made her laugh and want to hit me. Some texts went back and forth, but I seemed a little bored so I asked about having some fun texting.. She agreed and I asked her how naughty she was, and I got nothing back for about 5 hours. Noticing she went boring again, I sent a text.

Me: I hate to have to do this but...
G: what?

Me: Sent a picture of an energy drink.

Of course I got nothing but I laughed my ass off.

Instance 3:

Worked some awesome game IMO with a bartender this past weekend and got her to tell me that she likes to hook up and that she was looking for something new. Got her # and we have been sending pics (non nude so far... ;) ). But it is obvious something is gonna go down soon, if I don't fuck it up lol.

So the question is this, how much do these girls talk? Being in a small town going to tarnish my reputation and social status? Is going on social media and sending bad ass messages to chicks and getting their number the right way? Of course I want to show these girls a good time but I feel my newb sensor is going off like fucking crazy. I am sure there are some great thoughts out there on how I could have managed the last two instances better. I have been forward, but if I don't get a text back I don't care and laugh because it is their fault they don't want to have a good time am I right? :twisted: I have friends who have a bad reputation and are fucking multiple girls, but what I want is a high social status with "Fun" intentions... if you know what I mean.

Overcast
Author:  DW-Heart-Charmer [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
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I have friends who have a bad reputation and are fucking multiple girls, but what I want is a high social status with "Fun" intentions... if you know what I mean.
What is it that your really want here? From the first part of the post I thought that your intentions were to get out of the dry spell, then the last paragraph it says reputation. Be specific.
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This was a tinder experience in which I landed a number and I soon got the girl to share some very intimate things about herself. I never met her in person, but still managed to get her to talk sexually in a really nice way
The number and sexual talk is useless unless it's leading towards your outcome. Tinder is for meeting the girl and hooking up. You don't even have to exchange numbers but if it leads to the hook up and thus sex, go for it.
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Instance 2: This one I played a little slower, had lunch was my awesome self and threw out some good negs.
Again, what is your intention here? Taking a girl you haven't had sex with IME rarely leads to sex. Do want to amuse yourself with funny jokes or negs? Do you want to get out of the dry spell, or do you want a reputation in your town? This is all up to you.

The good news is you just have to decide what you want and then go after it unapologetically. If it was me, I wouldn't really worry about being a newbie in this town. You say that your confidence was high from before and you had success from before, that will all come along with time in your new town (I know this from experience).

You can also amuse yourself with having sex with many girls, that's way more fun ;)
Author:  overcast [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Hey Dee DUBYA H-C,

Thanks for the reply, like I said in the beginning of the post I was a little confused and I believe it is still just getting over my oneitus mindset. After reading what I have written I will clear up some things that I have said.
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What is it that your really want here? From the first part of the post I thought that your intentions were to get out of the dry spell, then the last paragraph it says reputation. Be specific.
Of course I want out of the dry spell, but I want to position myself as a person in which I attract the women without having to be the chaser. For instance, I feel that going on social media and adding HB's and asking for numbers lowers my S.S. I mean why should I be giving these girls my time when I don't even know them or if they are even a good lay? In saying that... I believe that it must be done in the beginning to develop a good foundation of girls in my life. After which I can be my badass self and invite them to BBQ's, night outs whatever. I feel that this way I will have a good diverse social circle, but give off a vibe that if they are DTF, than whatever let the fun begin. I am thinking long run railing here, if there is such a thing...
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The number and sexual talk is useless unless it's leading towards your outcome. Tinder is for meeting the girl and hooking up. You don't even have to exchange numbers but if it leads to the hook up and thus sex, go for it.


I really learned my lesson on this fact and it really seems to come off as needy. I believe a better way of escalation would be to have them qualify themselves first. The issues were that the girls were unavailable to hang out so, I figured to have some texting fun. I now know that I did not do it correctly, and I should have set up some sexual tension but went for a meetup instead of going guns blazing with the sexting.. :wink:
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Where are the girls that you are actually approaching?

And to me it sounds like you are portraying this pseudo pua personality.

I personally don't really talk sex until I get them into the bedroom. Actions speak louder than words and a woman can usually tell from the way that i am touching them what my intentions are. Not to mention its easy for a woman to get sexual over text messaging. They get to hide behind their phone and a screen; everyone is more bold when given anonymity. So don't think that a woman who's super sexual over text will be that way in person. Its often the exact opposite. The texting happens to be their only comfortable outlet for sexuality and so they get really deep with it.
Author:  overcast [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:01 pm ]
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I believe you are right Eddie about the pseudo personality to a certain extent. I am extremely forward, funny IMO, honest and I believe in doing what I want and having fun. However closing them is a complete different story and it goes against everything I believed in the past. I grew up looking down on people sleeping around, I believed that you should have sex with the people you "LOVE". I am also a shallow bastard. So I am priming my mindset, faking it until I make it. I need to break through this wall. Like you say, and what I have always believed, "Actions speak louder than words". I do need to stop talking all the shit and just be that person.

The thing is that I do approach girls, use negs get numbers but I don't close, even when there are instances I am pretty sure that I can.

This past weekend I spoke to these two girls at the bar in my town. One was from New York and the other from Wisconsin. NY girl was not feeling it so I spoke to the girl from Wisconsin. Convo lead to where we work, and turns out she was against the industry I work for... she got a little huffy so I smiled at her and reminded her that we are there to have fun.. She then said that men can be convinced otherwise and I smiled again, replied with "Oh yea, how". She replied P***Y. Anyway she grabbed my hand shook it and said, I will see you at this other bar... Did I pursue her? No, I stayed at the bar and tried out the girls there more. While at the bar, I seen another girl and I practically cold approached, touched her lips with my index finger and kissed her. She looked at me, pulled away and said she was more traditional lol. I laughed and walked away, I later danced with her but I wasn't really into it. Two days later I seen her working at the coffee shop.

I agree with you full heartedly about not speaking about sex until the bedroom, and it was a dumb mistake on my part.

Overcast
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Your "over gamey" behavior is needy.

Neediness is unattractive.

Stop trying so hard.
Author:  DW-Heart-Charmer [ Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Eddie is right about the texting, looks like you got that handled.
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Of course I want out of the dry spell, but I want to position myself as a person in which I attract the women without having to be the chaser.
Sometimes this is overdone. I would simplify this and say I want to get laid or I don't. Often it doesn't matter who is chasing. I would suggest doing less negs and more connecting with the girl. I used to be all about her chasing and me negging. Now I connect with the girl-leads to sex much more often.
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The thing is that I do approach girls, use negs get numbers but I don't close, even when there are instances I am pretty sure that I can.
I had this before. I was over-negging, over gaming them when I had this issue as well. Slow it down, be in the moment with her and connect. For me this was way more successful.
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I am thinking long run railing here, if there is such a thing...
This is brilliant that you have this figured out as what you want. Let's figure out how you get there, I'm not sure how the town is set up or how big it is, but hooking up with many many girls always works in this way.
Author:  overcast [ Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Hello TheMajikalMethod,

This is exactly how I feel after I get rejected, my ass is too available. I am needy not necessarily to get some ass, just to get into the role where getting it just happens. If that makes sense, and it doesn't help that I am a impatient, needy lil beeech :P . I know it is like opposites attract. For instance I am on a diet but all I see is pizza and chocolate, welcoming me to indulge. Thanks for the reply man.

D Dub:
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Sometimes this is overdone. I would simplify this and say I want to get laid or I don't. Often it doesn't matter who is chasing. I would suggest doing less negs and more connecting with the girl. I used to be all about her chasing and me negging. Now I connect with the girl-leads to sex much more often.
Got it, I can lay off on the negs and they work to a point until your a labeled a D.B. As for connecting, I am pretty sure I can mob this.
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This is brilliant that you have this figured out as what you want. Let's figure out how you get there, I'm not sure how the town is set up or how big it is, but hooking up with many many girls always works in this way.
Yes lets do it. So the town is pretty small, about 20 ish k people. Today hung out with some old friends and we started talking about girls.. turns out one I was talking to is also talking to my friend and they are gonna get busy soon :lol: , which is my fault "Over Gaming", "Needy" whatevs I get it now. Same girl hooked up with my other friend who was there as well :lol: . It was insane, and there I was with my needy lil dick just chilling with lotion residue. It pisses me off, I want to be the man. I want to be a smooth technical SOB who floats around and lets girls jump on his love cloud when HE wants them to.

Soo, I have 3 more prospective ladies I am hunting.

Girl Uno: Girl I spoke to about coming over and doing martial arts at my place. She knew I was involved with another girl and I messed up (most likely) and said yea I should just be with her.. Oneitus shit... But I do see her at the gym and she shows some IOI. Attraction level to me: "DBZ power reader": 5<- hope you get this.

Girl Dos: Girl who is in our social circle, never got her number until a couple days ago. Got number by

Social Media
Me: Hey punk, what is your number so I can bug you from time to time.
G: Hey! just working haha #

Text

Me: who works that late the sucks! Well I bugged you enough, ur turn next time.
G: Oh your weren't bugging me, but deal!

I didn't text back, but I did see her out on the town, and she came over while with her date and stood next to me for awhile. I spoke with her a little, I was being my crazy loud self and she said I was out of control, pretty rude, but I just was like, I just cant talk to you sometimes jokingly and even said it to the guy she was with. She stuck around, but I just ignored her until she left. Attraction Level to me: 6?

Girl Tres: Added me to Social Media and I have not done shit lol. Attraction Level to me: 10 <- I am going to assume that all girls start at ten, until my game lowers it.

Takers on breaking my little wall I make so big?

Overcast
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
People still do the "hey punks? " I grew out of that more and more the more I got laid.

You can make jokes about bugging a girl, or you can make jokes about glamouring their life with your presence? But only one of those works for your benefit both consciously and subconsciously. I'll take the win-win over the make you laugh on the surface, but i embedded the possibility of me bugging you into your subconscious.
Author:  overcast [ Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Speak to me your wisdom
Good advice like always Eddie.

When addressing a girl for the first time is it flawed to say their name?

So:

Hey _______(persons first name), send that number over so I can make your life awesome from time to time.
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