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Author:  Frog_Prince [ Fri May 29, 2015 2:09 am ]
Post subject:  Confused about competition
Hi guys,

Very new to this forum and this is my first post here. I've barely had any luck in my twenties and then started reading online a couple of months ago.

I moved to New York recently and made friends with a promoter who took me to a party last weekend. I used some of the techniques from here and had some luck.

This week, I managed to get talking to a girl on Tinder and she agreed on a date tomorrow. I said I would take her to a rooftop bar, which she is very excited about. Now, should I take her to the party organised by my friend OR should I take her to a couple of other rooftop bars, and try to escalate ?

Pros and Cons of taking her to my friend's party
Pros
- There will be loads of drinks on the house, I wont have to look like Sugar daddy! FYI, she is pretty poor, so I am expected to pay and don't mind! - just dont want to look like an SPAM machine (perception-wise!)
- There will be other guys and girls to keep her entertained if I run out of conversation and hopefully I can get her back
- No hassle of entry without guest list etc.- NY is awful for this
- I'll attract other single jealous girls if I am with her, probably even bi's

Cons
- Its a singles party - there will be 100 odd hungry guys and girls in there who probably have more experience than me. She will probably get stolen

Any thoughts will be hugely appreciated!!!
Author:  WillEdward [ Fri May 29, 2015 10:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
It's better to go to a party where your friend is the organizer as you will have social proof. The other guys don't know about game and are not competition. Just stay in set, isolate and escalate.
Author:  Dragula [ Fri May 29, 2015 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
If it was me I would just go to casual no pressure bar.

Going to meet your friends is high pressure for a tinder date with a girl you haven't even met yet. Tinder girls are flakey enough without the pressure of meeting friends

You don't have to worry about your friends tooling you either when you're in a quiet bar. New York is full of quiet bars. Just get one near the sub way so you can take her close to your place
Author:  R.C [ Fri May 29, 2015 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
Not a good idea to take a first date to a high energy environment aka clubs or parties.

Also you should have a bit more confidence about yourself. "Your girl will get stolen"? What are you planning to do once you get her? lock her in your house so nobody can be within 5 feet of her?
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Fri May 29, 2015 2:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
Welcome to the city man.

And by techniques do you mean.. Pick up techniques or online dating techniques?

Take her to the Delancey without your friend. Its three floors and they're each playing different music with a different vibe and its free to get in. Drinks a bit expensive, but the scene is definitely worth it. Mix crowed. She'll like it. Theres also a spot around the corner on essex with three floors as well. A root top their too. A star bucks on the corner. You can bounce around.

Sounds like a date to me. I wouldn't want to bring my friends along to a first date.
Author:  Dragula [ Fri May 29, 2015 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
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Welcome to the city man.

And by techniques do you mean.. Pick up techniques or online dating techniques?

Take her to the Delancey without your friend. Its three floors and they're each playing different music with a different vibe and its free to get in. Drinks a bit expensive, but the scene is definitely worth it. Mix crowed. She'll like it. Theres also a spot around the corner on essex with three floors as well. A root top their too. A star bucks on the corner. You can bounce around.

Sounds like a date to me. I wouldn't want to bring my friends along to a first date.

Didn't know you were from newyork :(

I was there last month and couldn't find any place that had a good amount of women. All I found was restaurants where people are eating food or gay live bands
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Fri May 29, 2015 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
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Quote:
Welcome to the city man.

And by techniques do you mean.. Pick up techniques or online dating techniques?

Take her to the Delancey without your friend. Its three floors and they're each playing different music with a different vibe and its free to get in. Drinks a bit expensive, but the scene is definitely worth it. Mix crowed. She'll like it. Theres also a spot around the corner on essex with three floors as well. A root top their too. A star bucks on the corner. You can bounce around.

Sounds like a date to me. I wouldn't want to bring my friends along to a first date.

Didn't know you were from newyork :(

I was there last month and couldn't find any place that had a good amount of women. All I found was restaurants where people are eating food or gay live bands
Lol

my location is written right underneath my number of post. If you come back let me know. It'll be a night out on me. And that goes for Charles, you, jack zero, and RC.
Author:  Dragula [ Fri May 29, 2015 4:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
I blame that gay social share plugin at the side!

Will hit you up next and same goes if you come to sunny Manchester UK

Meatpackers is full of British hipsters fags. We are everywhere like locusts
Author:  Dragula [ Fri May 29, 2015 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
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Charles, you, jack zero, and RC.
I think we should all have a group SPAM chat together, what do you all say? I will see if I can bulk PM you all.
Author:  Frog_Prince [ Fri May 29, 2015 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
I'm from The UK too, just moved. Cheers for your help guys!! I'll let you know how it goes
Author:  Frog_Prince [ Sat May 30, 2015 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
Hi All, many thanks for your suggestions.

She was probably 6/10, but I liked her. I took her to a rooftop bar close to mine that had a few quieter floors and it worked great!!! I talked to her for a bit, complimented her, then kino'd her (caressed her knee and shoulder) and then took out my chewing gum. She took out her mints simultaneously haha. After a couple of mins, I asked her if she was a good kisser and before she could finish her answer, I went for it. She reciprocated brilliantly!! I then tried to intensify the kiss and was holding her neck with one hand and her flank on the other. I ended the kiss, continued conversing and after a few minutes, kissed again. This time she was a bit hesitant and less passionate but complied. I ended the kiss this time too. I then asked her if she would come home with me. She had indicated beforehand she lives with her parents, had to go home by 1.00 and also said it was inappropriate on her first date. She is Jewish and a bit traditional with dating I sensed. I tried the justification suggested here (that I am not a man whore etc.) but faced resistance. So I said 'Sure, I totally understand - you are right' - I thought it was the best way to gracefully keep the relationship. She said she would try and invite me to a barbeque with friends today but hasn't written to me.

I have two questions and would really appreciate your thoughts on it. 1. Is there anything I can do better in my game given what I have explained? and 2. How do I proceed next?

Any thoughts will be hugely appreciated?

BTW, I dropped her to her train stop and then went out again - got a number close from a 3/10 and got into a bit of a tussle with another guy whose girlfriend (8/10) I tried to pull haha. She was very receptive - how was I to know she had a BF!!!
Author:  Dragula [ Sat May 30, 2015 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
I think you should change your wording. Change 'would you like to come home with me?' to 'hey, would you like to join me for some and watch some youtube vids? But you have to promise to keep your hands to yourself okay? ;)'

I think you could of got laid. 1am is late.

Next time, invite her for your place for a nice meal and then make ,the big move and you should get it if she is still interested.
Author:  Frog_Prince [ Sun May 31, 2015 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Confused about competition
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I think you should change your wording. Change 'would you like to come home with me?' to 'hey, would you like to join me for some and watch some youtube vids? But you have to promise to keep your hands to yourself okay? ;)'

I think you could of got laid. 1am is late.

Next time, invite her for your place for a nice meal and then make ,the big move and you should get it if she is still interested.
Cheers Dragula, Guess you are right! I should make it more subtle. Even during kino, I may have been a bit gropey I think, although I did not touch inappropriate places......but then in the past I have been guilty of not doing anything so many times.........You live, you learn!!
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