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Author:  bartm [ Wed May 06, 2015 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  should a conversation ever be serious?
I feel like every time I take a girl seriously, it's a turn off.

I will give you an example. I will write 2 conversations to compare. This happened at a clothing store at the mall. one of them is real, one of them I made up. this girl loitering around me, she kept going away and coming back.

conversation 1 (real)
me: do you keep coming around me because you have a secret crush on me?
her: no, I am here with a client
me: who is your client?
her: who is my client?
me: no, like why would you be here with a client?
her: I am a stylist
me: oh yeah? that's great. I actually needed a stylist. how much do you charge?
her: $75 an hour
me: that's pretty good

conversation 2 (hypothetical)
me: do you keep coming around me because you have a secret crush on me?
her: no, I am here with a client
me: does your client have a secret crush on you?
her: no
me: what do you do?
her: I am a stylist
me: how much do you charge?
her: $75 an hour
me: can you do $7 an hour?
her: are you serious?
me: ok, I will give you $10, but do you accept bitcoins?

one would think the first conversation is better because it shows you care about her and you take her seriously.
but in reality, every time I take a girl seriously, I lose her. I feel like you should never take a girl seriously. anything she says, you should make fun of or act like she doesn't matter to you.

am I right?
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed May 06, 2015 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
Why are you pretending to have any interest in how much she charges to do hair and/or getting her to do your hair? I can't see how you don't see these fabricated questions turning even the lowest of value girls off. What are YOUR intentions? Why are you approaching? Do you even know? And if not, that is exactly the problem.

I don't think you like women Bart. Honestly. I think you just want them from your own gain and you're not man enough to voice that.
Author:  bartm [ Wed May 06, 2015 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
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Why are you pretending to have any interest in how much she charges to do hair and/or getting her to do your hair? I can't see how you don't see these fabricated questions turning even the lowest of value girls off. What are YOUR intentions? Why are you approaching? Do you even know? And if not, that is exactly the problem.

I don't think you like women Bart. Honestly. I think you just want them from your own gain and you're not man enough to voice that.
we are not talking about hair here. stylist means she helps people pick out clothes.
well, I was just trying to make conversation. if I dont ask how much she charges, then what the hell am I supposed to ask.
you're right, I dont like people in general and since women are people, I dont like them.
I just cant relate to people.
what do you mean why am I approaching? I am approaching because I wanna fuck them?
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed May 06, 2015 10:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
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Why are you pretending to have any interest in how much she charges to do hair and/or getting her to do your hair? I can't see how you don't see these fabricated questions turning even the lowest of value girls off. What are YOUR intentions? Why are you approaching? Do you even know? And if not, that is exactly the problem.

I don't think you like women Bart. Honestly. I think you just want them from your own gain and you're not man enough to voice that.
we are not talking about hair here. stylist means she helps people pick out clothes.
well, I was just trying to make conversation. if I dont ask how much she charges, then what the hell am I supposed to ask.
you're right, I dont like people in general and since women are people, I dont like them.
I just cant relate to people.
what do you mean why am I approaching? I am approaching because I wanna fuck them?
Then say that; its a lot better than lying and pretending to be interested in her services when you know that you aren't. She sees right through it. I doubt she gets clientele from random guys asking if she has a crush on them first.

And I'm still curious as to what do you like man.. What do you do when you're not working and on these forums?
Author:  bartm [ Wed May 06, 2015 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
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Why are you pretending to have any interest in how much she charges to do hair and/or getting her to do your hair? I can't see how you don't see these fabricated questions turning even the lowest of value girls off. What are YOUR intentions? Why are you approaching? Do you even know? And if not, that is exactly the problem.

I don't think you like women Bart. Honestly. I think you just want them from your own gain and you're not man enough to voice that.
we are not talking about hair here. stylist means she helps people pick out clothes.
well, I was just trying to make conversation. if I dont ask how much she charges, then what the hell am I supposed to ask.
you're right, I dont like people in general and since women are people, I dont like them.
I just cant relate to people.
what do you mean why am I approaching? I am approaching because I wanna fuck them?
Then say that; its a lot better than lying and pretending to be interested in her services when you know that you aren't. She sees right through it. I doubt she gets clientele from random guys asking if she has a crush on them first.

And I'm still curious as to what do you like man.. What do you do when you're not working and on these forums?
I see my mistake now. so always be honest?

as for your question, I am a boring guy. I dont do anything. I dont like the movies, I dont like UFC, I dont like the museum, I dont like bars, I hate hate clubs. but I do need human interaction, I go crazy if I stay in the house for more than 2 days.

as far as entertainment, I read the news about technology, I like to follow the latest tech, see what apple and google and amazon are up to. I also read articles and watch videos online about how airplanes work. and just off the record, I listen to prank calls on youtube.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed May 06, 2015 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
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and just off the record, I listen to prank calls on youtube.
Me too..

Nephew Tommy has it down to a science in my opinion.

I don't think you're boring, I think you just perceive yourself that way and so you impose that upon the women you date. At the end of the day, it is your frame that will determine how a woman perceives you once you approach. A non boring guy who thinks he's boring will be viewed as boring. A boring guy who perceives his life as exciting, will be viewed as exciting. A woman is looking for YOU to tell her how she should feel about you. She is reading your self perception before she reads her perception of you.

Ever think about going to a tech convention and seeing what kinds of chicks is there? There are "hot" and "ugly" women within every field imaginable.

Fastcoexist.com is also a great tech like website.
Author:  bartm [ Wed May 06, 2015 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
Thanks Eddie, very educational.

No, I didn't think about going to such conventions, I am just too lazy to look up the location, get in the car, and go. that's too much work. Also, I thought the girls there are all weird and nerdy.

I dont know who nephew tommy is, I will check it out. I mostly listen to phone losers of america.
this guy gets customer numbers from different places like radio shack, pizza hut, gym customers, by calling the business and pretending to be from the corporate office. once he gets the numbers, he will call the customers on behalf of the business and tells them weird things. and he spoofs his caller id to match the appropriate location so they totally believe him. and more recently he is having a friend go to the actual store and film it, so you can see the people while they are being prank called. I could write more but I dont want to go off topic here.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed May 06, 2015 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: should a conversation ever be serious?
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No, I didn't think about going to such conventions, I am just too lazy to look up the location, get in the car, and go. that's too much work. Also, I thought the girls there are all weird and nerdy.
The women that are into the same types of things that you are into are all weird and nerdy? lol. You'd be surprised man. There are hot chicks in every field. Invest more into such things like those conventions and you'll begin to develop more passion. You have to be willing to invest in things that mildly interest you to develop more interest. Once your money is involved you have no choice but develop more passion. What do you spend your money on man? These are the things you're passionate about it. Get involved bro. You want change then take the proper steps. You gotta get over yourself. Get involved.

You have to break this pattern, you sound defeated. Once you step out there with action your life will change.
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