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| Author: | mojo.dojo [ Fri May 01, 2015 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Seeing prostitutes and social value |
*bows* *enters dojo* Does seeing hookers increase or decrease your social value? I would argue that it increases your value because it shows that you are capable of fulfilling your sexual needs through your hard work, if you're using your own money. Also, if you're good at negotiating you can get sex for cheaper than a round of drinks at a club. Finally, it improves sexual ability. I worried I had ED in the past I've had trouble getting it up with a girl I met and seduced. Now, it doesn't seem to be a problem. I ran some PUA routines on a fat girl from OkCupid and got her in bed and at least I knew what I was doing this time. She didn't complain. On the other hand, I haven't been motivated to be with normal girls because I always have this alternative that I can use if all else fails. So, for example if I get stood up by a flake, I'll go see a call-girl to lift my spirits. I feel like if I didn't have that option, I would be a better seducer. Your thoughts? No, I am not joking. I come from a run-down city with a huge red light district. Finding hookers is easier than finding your car keys. *bows* *leaves dojo* *MODERATOR: Edited to remove personal info* |
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| Author: | CountRedRover [ Fri May 01, 2015 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
*enters dojo* *greets you* *slaps the hell out of you* Seeing hookers decreases your value all together. You are PAYING someone to fuck you. You are also putting yourself at risk for herpes, etc. Quote: I worried I had ED
Stop jerking off. Check out reddit.com/nofap. Usually people who watch porn a lot tend to get ED.Quote: I ran some PUA routines on a fat girl..then fucked her
It seems like you are getting a bit desperate for sex. Now I think you should definitely do nofap.Quote: I haven't been motivated to be with normal girls because I always have this alternative that I can use if all else fails. So, for example if I get stood up by a flake, I'll go see a call-girl to lift my spirits.
you are unconciously looking for a means of escape to be happy. "if i cant buy this puzzle, i can definitely buy that puzzle"Quote: I feel like if I didn't have that option, I would be a better seducer.
Yes."if i cant buy this puzzle, i can definitely buy that puzzle. But if I buy no puzzle, I will have more money in my pocket. With more money in my pocket I can live an attractive lifestyle and puzzles will come to me"... yeah you get where im going with this Quote: I come from a run-down city with a huge red light district. Finding hookers is easier than finding your car keys.
You want to get into the mindset of bettering your life. Doing whatever it takes to better your life. This means no call girls; move to a better city; get a good job; etc. It is not going to be easy. And from the sound of things you might even have depression. No I am not trying to scare you by saying this. Just trying to help you out. You are not going to be able to better yourself until you come to an understanding as to why you should. Let me put it in perspective for you. If you don't stop doing what you're doing now, more than likely you are going to look like a garbage man and homeless man's offspring, living in your moms house, with the herp, blowing your money on hookers that are just going to want more and more money. After your mom passes away you are going to be homeless, begging for sex with a few teeth in your cardboard house. You'll think that the girls will give you pitty sex, but truth is, they've found someone else with money. So yea, start caring more about yourself, less about the fuck. And better yourself; don't pay for sex. Set goals and accomplish your dreams.*MODERATOR: Edited one quoted portion of this post to remove OP's personal info* |
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| Author: | Gary123 [ Fri May 01, 2015 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
No. Just no. "She didn't complain." The sign of a great lover. |
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| Author: | mojo.dojo [ Fri May 01, 2015 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
*bows* Yes Sensei, I probably have depression. No, I don't take it personally. It's kind of a self-perpetuating cycle. I feel bad for myself so I don't interact with people which leads to me feeling worse so I don't interact with people, and so on. How many people here have given up masturbation completely? Does it work? Can giving up masturbation entirely cause any mental health problems or physical problems? Anyways, nice to meet you guys... Hopefully I can get my shit together through this forum. Looking at NoFap now. ** EDIT ** : I'm not sure NoFap is the solution. I just read some things about it. I am not sure giving up masturbation completely is healthy. As for the other behaviors, yes, they are problematic. I appreciate talking to real people about this component of my life. It's not easy to deal with this alone. |
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| Author: | Eddie Fews [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Fat girls are going to go for pretty much anything So I don't think you can credit any development in your game to being able to bed a fat girl. The same premise is there, but a different level of emotional fortitude is required when in the face of a woman you're actually interested in. I say paying for sex decreases your eternal value and your ability to realize that giving a woman your time, talking to her, and allowing her to be in your presence is already a payment that she couldn't possibly repay you for. You have to begin to mentally attribute value to every aspect of your life. Women will treat you with the integrity you treat yourself with. Value you everything. |
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| Author: | R.C [ Fri May 01, 2015 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
No paying for god damn hookers does not increase your value. Do it if yo want, who the hell am I to judge. But if you're gonna do it, stop trying to convince yourself it's ok. It's not. You pay for something I get for free. You pay for something you could get for free. |
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| Author: | mojo.dojo [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Quote: No paying for god damn hookers does not increase your value. Do it if yo want, who the hell am I to judge.
Shit. That's not something I want to do. I'm frugal. You could tell that by looking at my shoes. Godaweful, trust me.But if you're gonna do it, stop trying to convince yourself it's ok. It's not. You pay for something I get for free. You pay for something you could get for free. But these PUA places are always telling you that you need to be high fashion to have game--that you need to buy Prada and crap like that. Most of the so-called PUA gurus have budgets of tens of thousands of dollars per year to spend on travel, clothes, and other things that make them attractive to women. It hardly seems surprising that they get laid. I've read a lot of the books and want to call BS on all of them. Most notable PUA artists are nothing more than reality show actors, whether or not they have been on TV... They get paid to live famously, write about it, brag about it, dress for it, and then act like they have some special talent when they actually get laid after they insert stories most of us could never tell into their conversations (I'm self employed, rich, well-traveled, etc, etc). In the short term, it seems cheaper to spend $50 and get instant gratification than to go out and buy an entire wardrobe in order to be attractive at some point in the future. How much do you budget towards your travel, shoes, clothes, wardrobe, cover charges, drinks, cocaine, dates, sushi, tea, whatever else, in order to get this "free" pussy you speak of? Thanks. I appreciate the help. Props to the hardworking guys out there making an honest living. |
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| Author: | R.C [ Sat May 02, 2015 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
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How much do you budget towards your travel, shoes, clothes, wardrobe, cover charges, drinks, cocaine, dates, sushi, tea, whatever else, in order to get this "free" pussy you speak of?
A hell of a lot less than I spend on doing what I like. I dont think any of my outifts amount to more than a couple hundred $, and honestly you sound like you've been reading Mystery Method or god knows what other bullshit book.Thanks. I appreciate the help. Props to the hardworking guys out there making an honest living. And it doesn't even matter. You don't need expensive clothes, just fitting clothes. If you want to read a book, read a proper one. Models by Mark Manson. Or better yet listen to it, he has a audiobook version read by himself. Then check out No More Mr Nice Guy. Your mindset is in all the wrong places. There isn't much I can say that will change that unless you're willing to change it. |
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| Author: | Dragula [ Sat May 02, 2015 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Quote: Quote: No paying for god damn hookers does not increase your value. Do it if yo want, who the hell am I to judge.
Shit. That's not something I want to do. I'm frugal. You could tell that by looking at my shoes. Godaweful, trust me.But if you're gonna do it, stop trying to convince yourself it's ok. It's not. You pay for something I get for free. You pay for something you could get for free. But these PUA places are always telling you that you need to be high fashion to have game--that you need to buy Prada and crap like that. Most of the so-called PUA gurus have budgets of tens of thousands of dollars per year to spend on travel, clothes, and other things that make them attractive to women. It hardly seems surprising that they get laid. I've read a lot of the books and want to call BS on all of them. Most notable PUA artists are nothing more than reality show actors, whether or not they have been on TV... They get paid to live famously, write about it, brag about it, dress for it, and then act like they have some special talent when they actually get laid after they insert stories most of us could never tell into their conversations (I'm self employed, rich, well-traveled, etc, etc). In the short term, it seems cheaper to spend $50 and get instant gratification than to go out and buy an entire wardrobe in order to be attractive at some point in the future. How much do you budget towards your travel, shoes, clothes, wardrobe, cover charges, drinks, cocaine, dates, sushi, tea, whatever else, in order to get this "free" pussy you speak of? Thanks. I appreciate the help. Props to the hardworking guys out there making an honest living. I am the best dressed guy in most venues: shoes: £40 pants: £35 shirt: £30 blazer: £60 accessories: £30 £30 getting stuff tailored (clothes are assets, they last for years and years) I have many combinations and get several looks out of the same clothes by changing the combo. You can afford to pay copious amount of hookers so perhaps skip a month and invest in your style instead? This put my 'game' in turbo mode and supplements to my well built confidence (I was depressed but worked hard on my game) Anyway, style is the least of your problems. You're depressed, unmotivated. I would see a therapist if I was you. Ditch the crutches and the excuses and take some control before you die a very lonely person. I am not against hookers. I have treated myself to a threesome with an escort and a porn star for my birthday. But I am against using it as a crutch and not taking action. |
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| Author: | Noone [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Quote: Quote: Quote: No paying for god damn hookers does not increase your value. Do it if yo want, who the hell am I to judge.
Shit. That's not something I want to do. I'm frugal. You could tell that by looking at my shoes. Godaweful, trust me.But if you're gonna do it, stop trying to convince yourself it's ok. It's not. You pay for something I get for free. You pay for something you could get for free. But these PUA places are always telling you that you need to be high fashion to have game--that you need to buy Prada and crap like that. Most of the so-called PUA gurus have budgets of tens of thousands of dollars per year to spend on travel, clothes, and other things that make them attractive to women. It hardly seems surprising that they get laid. I've read a lot of the books and want to call BS on all of them. Most notable PUA artists are nothing more than reality show actors, whether or not they have been on TV... They get paid to live famously, write about it, brag about it, dress for it, and then act like they have some special talent when they actually get laid after they insert stories most of us could never tell into their conversations (I'm self employed, rich, well-traveled, etc, etc). In the short term, it seems cheaper to spend $50 and get instant gratification than to go out and buy an entire wardrobe in order to be attractive at some point in the future. How much do you budget towards your travel, shoes, clothes, wardrobe, cover charges, drinks, cocaine, dates, sushi, tea, whatever else, in order to get this "free" pussy you speak of? Thanks. I appreciate the help. Props to the hardworking guys out there making an honest living. I am the best dressed guy in most venues: shoes: £40 pants: £35 shirt: £30 blazer: £60 accessories: £30 £30 getting stuff tailored (clothes are assets, they last for years and years) I have many combinations and get several looks out of the same clothes by changing the combo. You can afford to pay copious amount of hookers so perhaps skip a month and invest in your style instead? This put my 'game' in turbo mode and supplements to my well built confidence (I was depressed but worked hard on my game) Anyway, style is the least of your problems. You're depressed, unmotivated. I would see a therapist if I was you. Ditch the crutches and the excuses and take some control before you die a very lonely person. I am not against hookers. I have treated myself to a threesome with an escort and a porn star for my birthday. But I am against using it as a crutch and not taking action. |
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| Author: | Eddie Fews [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
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I'm a guy who definitely lacks clothing 'style' or fashion sense. Do you know of any resources that keeps up on the latest style that can help a guy like me in this department or is it one of those intuitive things for you?
Way Of The Player's guide to Fashion and style: Quote: The Player’s Guide To Fashion And Style
Google: "Way Of The Player zGuide to Fashion and Style" for the rest.
Part 1: Mastering the basics We at Way of the Player want to make one thing crystal clear, players do not peacock. Peacocking is a practice taught under the PUA (pick up artist) guidelines for attracting women, it revolves around sporting loud obnoxious attire for the purpose of attracting female attention to oneself. Peacocking is for desperate hapless nerds with no sense of style or taste. Peacocking will attract attention, and to someone who has never attracted attention before this might seem like a wonderful new thing. It may appear to be opening up all sorts of cobweb covered doors that have never been opened before; but the reality is that the attention Peacocks get from dressing up like fools is not good attention, it wont make them cool or sexy, it will just get them noticed for the wrong reasons. Some guys might fool themselves into believing that the attention they are getting is good. That attention from women equals them getting laid. But at the end of the night they will just end up being a fool in a furry hat; girls will come over to have a laugh and make fun of a peacock at his expense but only the most desperate and insecure would want to sleep with a man who dresses in such a manner. That isn’t to say that you shouldn’t dress up, quite the opposite in fact, as a player you should always be the best dressed man in the room (even if you’re the best man at your buddies wedding). In this particular regard we are unmerciful, it is a part of our code (see “10 things a Player should never do“) but you will never see a player in a furry hat and leather pants because we don’t sacrifice our pride and masculinity for the sake of getting past a girls defences. Those defences are there in the first place because of men like us and only men like us can unashamedly and effortlessly bypass them. We achieve this by being unequivocally awesome. One thing that is important to remember is, people will always judge us by our clothes before they judge us on the merit of our personality. Many of the men in this community have at some point tried to chat up beautiful women when they were dressed like crap and they all came to the same uniform conclusion… No matter how charming, good looking and confident they were, in most cases the girls simply couldn’t look past the horrible fashion sense and style because this is what constitutes 90 percent of your appearance. Your face only accounts for a small part of your visual self and if you have unkept facial hair then even more of you is lost to bad style. So what’s left? your eyes, your nose and your hands? It doesn’t matter if you are the worlds top poster man for these particular features, it is all or nothing when it comes down to style there is no half way or acceptable median for the player. Style is all about attention to detail, this is how we separate ourselves from the clueless horde of men out there who think that the bare minimum is enough and would rather be acceptable than exceptional. As player’s, our individual style has to be executed to perfection. If you are a goth then make sure you are wearing premium leather, if you prefer skater/hip-hop style then make sure you’re sneakers are spotless and avoid baggy jeans. And if you are a Hipster then please stop reading this page and leave this website because your kind is not welcome here. Some men take this idea of style too far and wear bright flamboyant colours, women’s jewellery and tight jeans. These men will sacrifice their masculinity in order to appear trendy or chic. This behaviour is ridiculous , and it is the role of the player to put these people in their place. This is achieved by dressing in a way that demonstrates confidence, masculinity and power. If you are reading this and you do not own a suit then take the money out of your wallet right now, put it in a piggy bank and start saving. Every man needs a nice suit, whether he’s a dock worker or a neurosurgeon. Owning a suit is no longer a luxury only affordable to the rich and socially elite. Anyone can put on the white collar and assume the status that comes with it. Therefore, any man with inspiration can attract the calibre of woman who appreciates a man in a suit. If you naturally prefer the kind of brain dead, drugged up, venerial disease pedalling trollop who thinks that ‘Versace’ is “that good looking Italian bloke who plays midfield for Manchester United”, then good for you. However, even the most poorly educated and style-less tramps still appreciate a man in a nice suit, so there really isn’t any kind of excuse (unless you have a fondness for celibacy). A Players suit Any man who has bought a tailored suit will swear by them; they are made to fit the contours of your body and allow you to move with an ease and comfort which is incomparable to your off the rack cheapo suits. However, buying a tailored suit is usually immensely more expensive than buying a generic suit from a store. Most guys can’t afford to spend the price of a used car on something that is more easily damaged and wears out quicker (you’re better off with the used car). Fortunately there is a way that you can enjoy both the price of a cheap suit and have the comfort of a tailored. It’s pretty simple really; buy a cheap generic suit which is too big rather than too small and take it to an alterations specialist. By doing this you cut out the mark up tailors put on the material they make your suit out of and all you are paying for is the service of their labour and your suit will look and feel just as good as any tailored but for a fraction of the price. Another clever trick is to have your suit made overseas and mailed back to you. Most people have at least heard of how cheap it can be to have tailored suits made in places such as China, Bali and Thailand. In these countries you’ll be paying a fraction of the price for the materials… but more importantly you’ll be paying practically nothing for the labour. Now Way of the Player knows that no one in their right mind would book a return to ticket to Bangkok just for the sake of a fitted suit or two. But there is a devious work around for that. Many major tailors overseas can produce a perfectly fitted suit while their clients sit comfortably at home on the couch watching Entourage. All you need to do is supply your measurements and fabric selection and they’ll be good to go. Now every Player should have two types of suit, a casual and a formal. The casual is sexy, complimenting to your form and you can wear it out without people thinking you are coming from a wedding. The casual suit is almost always pinstripe on either blue, grey or black material (generally it’s safer to stay away from brown suits unless you happen to be a 70’s porn star named Brock Hardballs) A suit vest will always make your suit stand out amoungst a group of other men wearing only the blazer; it looks sophisticated, slimming and if you are going out after work then you can always leave your blazer in the cloak room, loosen your tie and look ready to party in a suit vest. A vest says a lot about your style; it says ‘If you think I look awesome now, you should see how awesome I look with the full suit on baby’. There is a reason why so many people pick up at weddings… men in nice suits are sexy. Now paying full homage to the awesomeness of the fitted suit, one does have to admit that there are some places where a suit is not appropriate attire. Aside from the obvious places like public beaches and mosh pits, there are many ‘casual places’ where you would not wear a fitted suit such as a house party or a dance orientated nightclub. Wearing a suit in these places would make you look like a bit of a tool because everyone would assume that you either don’t understand what is appropriate attire, or that you are trying too hard to impress everyone. A Players shirt Like suits, the best shirts are tailored, however it is substantially cheaper to buy a tailored ‘shirt’ compared to buying a tailored ‘suit’, so everyone should be able to afford at least a couple of these. The good thing about a nice shirt is you can wear them for almost any occassion and still look stylish and dressed up. With all the varieties of shirt out there it can be hard to know where to start when matching it to your suit. However, white and blue are always safe options for men and are guaranteed to go with most ties and suits. Pink will make you look gay (men who wear pink shirts think they are being liberal but they really just look like they’ve recently grown a vagina) Green often looks like snot after a few washes and rarely goes with anything, it is okay to own a green shirt if you are Irish or it’s Saint Patricks day. Black is sexy and debonair but only really goes with white, red or more black, there is also always a chance that you will get mistaken for a bus boy when out. Red can be very sexy as it is the colour of passion but is... |
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| Author: | Dragula [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Poet: Start with this: http://www.fashionbeans.com/2009/mens-f ... -good-fit/ then just go through the relevant articles including grooming and haircuts Then this also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_oVJP3dteM Between the 2 you should develop a cool style for yourself. Also, observe guys in the street until it feels gay because you are looking at men so much. Look at the girls they are with, if you like her, look at her boyfriend and what he wears and how it conveys. I dressed really bad, so it defo was not an intuitive thing for me. Most people don't want to spend more money once they buy an item. Get it tailored, it looks better than the actual clothes themselves. Check my online isnt that bad'' thread for a glance of my style |
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| Author: | Noone [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Perfect, thanks guys. I want to transform into one of the better dressed guys out there with a sense of style. Right now, I'm all hoodies, oakley shirts that don't fit quite right and bluenotes jeans. The only thing I'm good at is choosing vibrant colors that compliment my skin tone and eye color. |
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| Author: | Dragula [ Sat May 02, 2015 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
yeah get rid of that stuff some quick tips: - Tailor things that don't fit perfect, legs and torso especially - If you're skinny guy, wear shirts (light colours) rather than t-shirts (tailored) - Try to be more classy, so less sneakers and more of a leather shoes/boots - Belt should match the colour and texture of your shoes. - A classy white face watch, leather strap, ideally same as shoes/belt - For me I really like the blazers, pocket squares, cravat's that gives your look a pop, I guess it's a little peacocking without the overkill cowboy hat |
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| Author: | mojo.dojo [ Sat May 02, 2015 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Seeing prostitutes and social value |
Thanks guys. Yes, already seeing a therapist. Therapists never talk about love and dating. Therapists don't actually care if you get well. They actually like it when you keep coming to their office b/c it keeps them in business. But I do see one. It's still better than not seeing one. Yes, Mystery is where I first heard the BS about how much to spend on clothes and lifestyle. I also have been reading Roosh V's books and he talks about how he works all of his international travel into his conversations, as well as the fact that he works for himself, and has a website dedicated to his sex life. So, they live like Hugh Hefner but insist that they are successful because of skill and attitude. Neither of these guys are very helpful to me. I will check out the books that were recommended. If anyone wants to post pics of their clothes that may help also. Like the other poster, I'm totally oblivious to what's in style nowadays. |
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