I mean, I'm not saying women don't like sex at all. But it seems like feminists are constantly exaggerating the degree to which women really enjoy it. I mean think about it, if a guy gets approach by a 9/10 in a club, he's not likely gonna say no, unless he has a girlfriend or something. But reverse the situation, and it doesn't really matter how hot the guy is, he's gonna get a hell of a lot more no's - what he needs to have is 'good game'.

So ok, that's fine. Girls aren't all shallow about the looks like guys are - they go for the complete package, looks, personality, confidence. Some guys are a bit like that as well, but let's face it, they're in a minority. Hell, you can even say it's a good thing women are like that but the fact of the matter is, women don't just like sex for it's own sake. There has to be an emotional connection. That's not so with guys. And this myth that women like sex as much as guys is as harmful as the myth that women don't like sex at all or that they can't orgasm.

I'm telling you, it's the male equivalent of slut shaming and it's just as bad.

I guess the bottom line to what I am getting at here and there is a yen and a yang for everything. There are women who don't like sex and women who desire it constantly as there are men in the same boat. There are women who desire the "total package" for love making and some who just want a hot guy to fuck them. "It takes all kinds" as my parents used to say.

I read this quickly but from what I understand, you're asking if woman enjoy sex in general as much as men do.

Point is, mate, you don't have women putting their egos on the line like guys, buying girls drinks, paying for sex, facing rejection and ridicule because your game's not solid enough. Girls that go to clubs and bars are being hastled for sex a lot more than the guys.

So again what's your point?

My point is that feminists are arguing the zebras like lions as much as the lion like the zebras.

I don't think thats a fair analogy. Zebras HATE lions.. Lion kill, devour, and destroy them. LIONS love what zebras have to offer (FOOD), but I'm sure if the emotional capacity allowed it, they'd hate the creature as well which is why they hunt and kill it.

I'd say women do enjoy sex more.. When I'm having sex with a woman, she is moaning in ecstasy throughout the entire experience. And even more so during the orgasm.. The man, usually is only moaning when the sex is over - his orgasm.

I think my quote has to be understood in response to JSmooth's social darwinism analogy lol

I think when we turn this into a battle of the sexes (lions chase zebras for food = men chase women for sex) like JSmooth has done, we can see that it's not a good analogy. That's especially the case if you're trying to argue that women like sex as much as men!

Personally, I don't think it's like lions and zebras because like I've said at the start women do enjoy sex but they don't like sex in and of itself. Generally speaking (like 90% of the time) there has to be an emotional connection and hot women don't like the idea of one night stands because then it's hard to maintain their social status as a high value woman that is hard to earn. I would go as far as to say that sex is actually a means to an end for women, and not an end in itself.
So if women go so hysterical over sex, why are WE the ones gaming THEM?

Why are we the ones applying for jobs that clearly need employees? Surely they should be knocking on our doors trying to find us. They simply advertise the position (High heels, dresses, make up) and we apply for position. Who benefits more.. The employer from our workload or us from the scraps from the top they're passing down to us.

Now you're getting on to something:
Women benefiting from our labour surplus, it's not exactly something I'm disagreeing with.

So basically, either women are manipulative and exploitative

OR

they just don't enjoy sex like we do.

Whatever the system is I don't care. I just want to figure out a way to get the top. I want to be a player, I don't want to get played anymore. I'm tired of not getting sex, do you get me? Enough's enough, because every day I get more and more stressed out about this. I need to figure a way to get sex soon, and I'm paying for it and I'm not fucking any old slapper. I need to get sex before it breaks me.

You're not the first who shares the way of thinking - many of you guys have dropped by the forum and you know what you all have in common? You guys are all struggling to get laid. You need a new perspective;

your current one is acting as a subconscious repellant for women.

I've tried changing my perspective but you know, it's like trying to develop an appetite for horse shit. I just can't accept the fact women are doing this to me. I'm trying to build a more attractive life style, looking after myself (I'm in pretty damn good shape actually), doing whatever it takes to keep my mind off women. But every day I just get madder and madder, eventually I'm gonna hit boiling point and then I don't know what's gonna happen when I do. I've got a pretty nasty temper all bottled up stewing and it's not getting any nicer. No offense, but I don't want to private message you just so you can try and sell me your product.
If that's really true, and women are either mind readers or stunningly brilliant readers of body language and pyschoanalysis, then what's also true is that they are not just interested in sex at a physical level (the main argument stated in this thread: it's about emotional manipulation). So again, you're proving my point.