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| Author: | DM [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | expert advice needed please |
So my gf of one and a half years just broke up with me. She said she isnt happy, that we havent been doing well for a long time and that "She loves me, but isnt in love with me" (whatever that means).. Anyways, we have had problems in our relationship, but i didnt think that the gravity of which would culminate in this kind of breakup. We talked, and asked her to work it out saying i could change, be the person she needed to give it a chance, but she was having none of it. I know what it seems like, ive been devastated, but i still love this girl, and am not ready to walk away from such a long relationship without a fight. Ive read different places that the only and best way to get back an ex is to go into radio silence for a month and just work on yourself. How should I go about this, i love this girl with all my heart and would give anything to work things out. Im a fucking wreck, but she doesnt seem to be too distraught (as she put it shes 'numb' to me). What is a way that i can get out of this and at least have a shot at getting back with her. I know i made the mistake of trying to convince her to try it, but we had had fights before and BAM we were in each others arms again. I need some advice on how to make this relationship work again, and not have people tell me to move on, find other fish in the sea etc.. I need help with this one please! Thanks and i look forward to your responses |
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| Author: | JackZero [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
So if I'm reading you correctly, what you really want is advice on is how to get her back and nothing else. You are also willing to give up your self respect and self worth as well. Is that correct? |
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| Author: | DM [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
No, my point isnt that, although i am pretty low for the time being. I havent felt this much pain and would want nothing more than to be with the girl i love more than aything. Howeverim not disillusioned as to how shitty the relationship was at the end. So what i NEED is advice on how to sort myself out to grow, and also give her enough time to heal and give it another chance. I want nothing more than a healthy respectfyl relationship dude. Thats the advice i need |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: So my gf of one and a half years just broke up with me. She said she isnt happy, that we havent been doing well for a long time and that "She loves me, but isnt in love with me" (whatever that means).. Anyways, we have had problems in our relationship, but i didnt think that the gravity of which would culminate in this kind of breakup. We talked, and asked her to work it out saying i could change, be the person she needed to give it a chance, but she was having none of it. I know what it seems like, ive been devastated, but i still love this girl, and am not ready to walk away from such a long relationship without a fight. Ive read different places that the only and best way to get back an ex is to go into radio silence for a month and just work on yourself. How should I go about this, i love this girl with all my heart and would give anything to work things out. Im a fucking wreck, but she doesnt seem to be too distraught (as she put it shes 'numb' to me). What is a way that i can get out of this and at least have a shot at getting back with her. I know i made the mistake of trying to convince her to try it, but we had had fights before and BAM we were in each others arms again. I need some advice on how to make this relationship work again, and not have people tell me to move on, find other fish in the sea etc.. I need help with this one please!
The worst thing a dude can do when the girl is breaking up, is to reason and beg, that actually causes the opposite outcome and pushes her even more away(i know you notice that when you were begging and trying to reason, she was pushing back) right now you are in very needy, scarcity mode and that just make women disgusted, the best thing to do in a relationship is to avoid getting to that point, dah! now that you are at that point, the best thing to do, is to put in your mind that is over, and get other women (it will be hard, you will not feel like it, your body just want to be with her, you compare every girl to her and she comes on top, you just want to talk to everybody about her and how is your fault..) wink... i know i know, but TRUST ME, go get other women (the problem is i am 99% sure that you do not have the ability to get other women fast aka within days or weeks, which is a bigger problem)Thanks and i look forward to your responses Go on my blog, and read how to get out of the friendzone (exactly what i did when this shit happened to me,my gf came back, now together 8 years) second watch this video (is long and worth it 4 times). Ah but you probably won't do what i am telling you... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio |
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| Author: | JackZero [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: No, my point isnt that, although i am pretty low for the time being. I havent felt this much pain and would want nothing more than to be with the girl i love more than aything. Howeverim not disillusioned as to how shitty the relationship was at the end. So what i NEED is advice on how to sort myself out to grow, and also give her enough time to heal and give it another chance. I want nothing more than a healthy respectfyl relationship dude. Thats the advice i need You need to go back and read what you wrote. It doesn't do anything for you or your self esteem. Your girl dumped you and she doesn't care how you feel about it. However, you want to give her a chance to heal and give it another chance because you love her more than anything. It seems like "anything" includes yourself.Let's say you get some fabulous advice on how to make it work out with her. No matter what advice that is, you are teaching her that she can dump you, do what she wants to do, and then you guys will work it out later. Each time she dumps you again, the reasons behind it will become more and more trivial until the moment that there's nothing you can do to get her back. There's no real self improvement in it for you. You're at the point that she broke you down to rock bottom. Forget about getting her back and build yourself up to be the man that no girl wants to dump. This can be a positive beginning for you. |
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| Author: | DM [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Thanks boys, its painful cant eat, cant sleep. But see, i already have a girl thats wanting to get with me, beautiful girl, but I cant fucking reason my way out of what im feeling. Id say after losing a family member this is the next hardest thing for me. This is the first and only girl ive loved out of any relationship ive been in, so naturally i want to fight for the year and a half ive been with this girl. From what ive been seeing the only way to go about this and avoid a possible makeup/breakup cycle and relapse is going 30 days no contact and seeing how you feel at the end of that. It wasnt always this bad, so i was choked at how cold she was. I got the classic line "I love you, but im not in love anymore". I understand all the viewpoints, and id give the same advice to someone else, but now that im in the situation its not so easy. I need thoughts on the 30 day NC thing can it work... The point of it is supposed to be focusing on yourself, and building yourself up to where you once were. The byproduct at the end of the 30 days, is having for the first time the indifference of whether we stay together or dont, and if we do, that its a new relationship rather than a continuation of the old one. Does this seem feasable? What else can be done here? I love this girl so im not ready to have her walk out of my life. |
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| Author: | DM [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Hey yeah sorry about the multiple posts, its been a lot happening in the past few days. Anyways, what i love about her is that shes funny and caring and deep down is a person whos had a painful upbringing. Now i know im not in charge for other peoples' happiness in that you cant solve others' problems but she does have many traits which make her a great person. And on that note, its all this that drew up together, the things we shared and talked about for hours. I really did for the first time find someone i loved and was ready to commit myself 110% for. I would pick stars out of the sky for this girl if she asked. But i guess the fighting near the end got to be too mch for her and she broke. Im wanting to work this out, and im looking for suggestions from people in similar situations. Ps skills im on your blog as i write this |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: Hey yeah sorry about the multiple posts, its been a lot happening in the past few days. Anyways, what i love about her is that shes funny and caring and deep down is a person whos had a painful upbringing. Now i know im not in charge for other peoples' happiness in that you cant solve others' problems but she does have many traits which make her a great person. And on that note, its all this that drew up together, the things we shared and talked about for hours. I really did for the first time find someone i loved and was ready to commit myself 110% for. I would pick stars out of the sky for this girl if she asked. But i guess the fighting near the end got to be too mch for her and she broke. Im wanting to work this out, and im looking for suggestions from people in similar situations.
Ps skills im on your blog as i write this please watch the video on crawling out of neediness by tyler(is long but worth it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio By the way i know is hard to see this but every player/person/seducer i know, that went through something like this came out of it WAY BETTER, in retrospect.... I know is hard to believe and understand right now... |
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| Author: | DM [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Will do. How did you get back with your ex? She ended it with you as well im assuming? The only way i want this relationship is one where im the dominant one, and stop looking like a pussy in her eyes. |
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| Author: | Eddie Fews [ Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: i love this girl with all my heart and would give anything to work things out. Im a fucking wreck
This quote here is the sole reason your girl left you. You care about her more than you care about yourself and because of it you've become a burden. You've become a weight on her shoulders and this is why she now resents you. You're draining her. You're free loading off of the energy she brings into your life. Who wouldn't be numb to a free loader? She's lost respect for you because you've put her desires too far before your own. And once a woman loses respect for you; her love for you goes right out the window. It happens to the best of us so don't be so hard on yourself. But you must fucking chill. Any action you take from the mindset that you are currently in is going to push her further away from you than she is now. If you make absolutely ZERO attempts to reach out to her again she WILL come back when you least expect it. But remember I said ZERO! So before you do something stupid like send her a 500 word text or give her a call remember that the action will ruin the 100% guarantee that she WILL return if and ONLY if you make ZERO attempts to contact her again. Every attempt at contact after that point reduces the chances of her returning by 50%.. But as long as you do NOT, you have a 100% chance that she will return. I swear to you before God.. No woman is special and they all do the same shit. Work Out, read books, and go hang out with buddies. It's tough to read with a broken heart i know. Its tough to work out with a broken heart also, but you must power yourself through it man. Its the only way. Just power yourself through making improvements and SHE WILL return when you least expect it. |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: Will do. How did you get back with your ex? She ended it with you as well im assuming? The only way i want this relationship is one where im the dominant one, and stop looking like a pussy in her eyes.
Step 1: put it in your head is over.Step 2: Move on (get busy, work on your finances, on your body etc...) Step 3: get other women.' at that point they usually comes back or sometimes they do not, either way is a win for you, but to answer your question she broke up with me cause i was not "spiritually yolk" or some christian brainwashing nonesense, i said cool! it hurt, i was sad, but i did not beg, i did not reason, i told her i would like to be with her but her decision is beyond my control. I just left, called another girl to come over, when the other girl was over i was sad,I could not get hard, she slept over, i fingered her (she bled got the period that night, fuck my luck)... During that time my now gf that just broke up with me, was blowing up my phone, but i could not pick up i was with the other girl... In the morning she showed up in my apt. open the door(she had a key, fuck my luck), saw the other girl, i told her she was "a client", the other girl was cool and left (no drama). In the garbage the other girl towells with blood, my gf saw (fuck my luck)... Anyways, we got back together..... ^ the whole point is i am high value and have the ability to replace her on snap of my fingers, she realized that, too much too lose. right now you are: Begging, needy, scarcity(no ability to get other women), making her your life, acting like a repulsive nice guy behavior : Quote: You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."
I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea." If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it. What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him. Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life... Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure. Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date". They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them. They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him. Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one. Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner. Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here." The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?" More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip! Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results. This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love". Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF. You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible. |
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| Author: | DM [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
Quote: Quote: i love this girl with all my heart and would give anything to work things out. Im a fucking wreck
This quote here is the sole reason your girl left you. You care about her more than you care about yourself and because of it you've become a burden. You've become a weight on her shoulders and this is why she now resents you. You're draining her. You're free loading off of the energy she brings into your life. Who wouldn't be numb to a free loader? She's lost respect for you because you've put her desires too far before your own. And once a woman loses respect for you; her love for you goes right out the window. It happens to the best of us so don't be so hard on yourself. But you must fucking chill. Any action you take from the mindset that you are currently in is going to push her further away from you than she is now. If you make absolutely ZERO attempts to reach out to her again she WILL come back when you least expect it. But remember I said ZERO! So before you do something stupid like send her a 500 word text or give her a call remember that the action will ruin the 100% guarantee that she WILL return if and ONLY if you make ZERO attempts to contact her again. Every attempt at contact after that point reduces the chances of her returning by 50%.. But as long as you do NOT, you have a 100% chance that she will return. I swear to you before God.. No woman is special and they all do the same shit. Work Out, read books, and go hang out with buddies. It's tough to read with a broken heart i know. Its tough to work out with a broken heart also, but you must power yourself through it man. Its the only way. Just power yourself through making improvements and SHE WILL return when you least expect it. Skills i hear you. It was fucking shitty, you had more strength than me, i had that moment where i was sitting with her telling her things would be different, almost begging for her to give the relationship another shot, but she just shook her head and said she couldn't. But i digress, theres a girl whos model good-looking inviting me to go away for a weekend to a cabin in the coming little while. Should i make it a point that my ex finds out about this (i.e. make it my profile picture on facebook), or whats your suggestion? Tbh i dont think i could even get it up, but I'll go through with it anyways. One question though, how does the dumper usually feel after leaving an LTR? |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
dm did you watch the crawling out of neediness video?? Anyways, you are trying to control your gf decision via tactis, persuasion, reasoning... HER DECISION IS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL... women reach a breaking point were investment/attraction is not there, it is very difficult to revert once they get to that point... It is possible by getting them to invest again, but no persuasion, selling, reasoning will reverese that, i would say even tactics... With that being said the fear of loss (which is what i believe happened to my gf, were they weight risk vs reward can tip the scale of investment (in your case i believe is too late and you are too needy very unlikely to happen), but one of the most effective weapons for this to happen is to be so cool and awesome (physically/financially or the poor men way which is abundance of women) that may make her want to invest again. |
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| Author: | DM [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
No, im going to watch it now. I get what youre saying, but if that were the case then there would never be any people making up, or at least very few. Flip side is true too, if begging and pleading and logical reasoning worked, nobody would ever be broken up and single. Im a good looking guy, with ambitions and talents but I lost track of myself and became infatuated with her. This month of NC was a means of finding myself and forgetting about her. Its conducive with what you and everyone else is saying about working out, reading, picking up hobbies etc. She can either be a byproduct of that or no. What im asking is whether you think that kind jealousy should be used as a tool? IMO she thinks im a wreck (which i am), but wouldnt it be a shock to find out that not only am i not cutting my wrists over her, but there would also be a fear of loss if i was spotted with a better looking girl all of the sudden? |
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| Author: | DM [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: expert advice needed please |
how about "YOURE TEARING ME APART!!!!" |
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