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Author:  W Lion [ Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Another one rejection - I can't win?
Guys really, maybe tonight I touched the deep end.
I can't go on in this state of mind.
Is more of 3 years which I'm into "pick up world" and after a lot of pain and rejections I've been able to attract only low level girls (few, few girls).
Tonight another one rejection. The problem and that I don't understand what I did of wrong.

Two days ago I went in a mall to a work, then when I went out I met this girl (a beautiful girl for my taste).
After ten minutes of little chat (funny topics and relaxing SPAM) I asked her to Facebook contact and she gave me.
The day later, I added her to Facebook.
Good, I waited another half day and then I started the chat.
After 3 mins of little chat I wrote: "Do you live only of cigarettes and sun or do you drink also a coffee?" (implied: I want drink something with you).
Well, she read but she didn't give me a answer.... .
Damn, not one: "fuck off, you suck" no, NOT ONE WORD.

This is only ONE of my rejections but I would like listen some advice for restart my personal development. I really feel defeated and discouraged... :(
I don't know what I seek from you, maybe someone which give me a bit of kicks in my ass. Damn, three years...
Author:  Chief [ Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
You're taking these "rejections" too personally. Hell, that wasn't even a rejection.

Those sorts of things happen to every guy no matter how great his game is. Or how great he looks. Or how rich he is. Seriously.

Also, the message you sent was sort of confusing. Actually it was very confusing. If someone sent me that message I wouldn't reply either. If you confuse people a very common response will be that they just don't want to deal with the confusion and remove themselves from the situation. Keep things simple.

Also you have a lot of inner game work to do...
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Dude.. you're not escalating.

Why are you asking for facebooks?

You're not taking enough risk and thats obvious. You're playing it safe and as a result the women are following the leader and playing it safe too. So they're not taking chances with you because you aren't taking any chances with generating any real attraction.

And why are you talking in riddles? Why are you implying 'drinking coffee' as if someone is suppose to read your mind? What ever happen to being assertive and saying " Hey we should grab some coffee and you can bring your cigarets. What are you doing tomorrow? "

To me it sounds like you're shooting the ball with eyes closed and then you're wondering why you can't make a shot. Open your eyes.. Which is a simple fundamental action to increase the amount of shots made. So in this context - opening your eyes means take full risk to escalate.

The only man thats truly getting rejected is the man that is afraid of getting rejected. Women pick up on his vibe and just feed him back what he's already giving off. Nature destroys fear by forcing you to confront it and women are mother nature.
Author:  Davidrrr981 [ Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Yeah, sorry but that last message of you didn't sound quite right. If you want to go grab some coffee, then ask her, do not imply it giving her a negative connotation, specially if you still don't know if she's enough interested on you.
Author:  bartm [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
I have read your coffee statement 10 times and still dont get it.
Author:  W Lion [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Thanks all for the reply!!
Quote:
You're taking these "rejections" too personally. Hell, that wasn't even a rejection.

Those sorts of things happen to every guy no matter how great his game is. Or how great he looks. Or how rich he is. Seriously.

Also, the message you sent was sort of confusing. Actually it was very confusing. If someone sent me that message I wouldn't reply either. If you confuse people a very common response will be that they just don't want to deal with the confusion and remove themselves from the situation. Keep things simple.

Also you have a lot of inner game work to do...
"that wasn't even a rejection"? Why not?

Anyway, I've not a problem with the rejections (I know that I can't attract every girl on this planet) but if after 3 years of sarge I collected almost only "no" "refusals" or "no reply", you can understand that another one refusal gave me a bad blow on my neck... .

Maybe I did a wrong interpretation of the concept in use in the pick up community of my city where the more used way is the “indirect game” and not the “direct game”.
Anyway, I will try to "keep things simple”.

Quote:
Dude.. you're not escalating.

Why are you asking for facebooks?

You're not taking enough risk and thats obvious. You're playing it safe and as a result the women are following the leader and playing it safe too. So they're not taking chances with you because you aren't taking any chances with generating any real attraction.

And why are you talking in riddles? Why are you implying 'drinking coffee' as if someone is suppose to read your mind? What ever happen to being assertive and saying " Hey we should grab some coffee and you can bring your cigarets. What are you doing tomorrow? "

To me it sounds like you're shooting the ball with eyes closed and then you're wondering why you can't make a shot. Open your eyes.. Which is a simple fundamental action to increase the amount of shots made. So in this context - opening your eyes means take full risk to escalate.

The only man thats truly getting rejected is the man that is afraid of getting rejected. Women pick up on his vibe and just feed him back what he's already giving off. Nature destroys fear by forcing you to confront it and women are mother nature.
Why I didn't ask her contact? She was entering into supermarket for the job interview (it was my same situation).

For the “riddles” you have right. This is one of my problem. I think that I've still fear of refusal.

For the other part, maybe in your language the word “escalate” have an other sense respect mine.
What do you mean? Kino escalate?

Do you suggest something for “open the eyes”? Or I must only trying to pick up more and more girls?


Davidrrr981 , bartm thanks!
Author:  Chief [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Where are you from, where do you live, and what language do you and the people who live in your city primarily use? I'm getting the feeling that language barriers may be causing some issues for you.
Author:  Starkz [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Just make sure you really push yourself to brush off the rejections.

Usually when you go out, your first 3 approaches aren't going to be that great. But you need to get in that state of mind... think of it as a warm up.

Also when you do get rejected, force yourself to look at it like a lesson learned.

In fact, rejection is better than success.

Think of it as working out... when you use a weight that is too easy, you don't build your muscles.
but if you put your weights higher, you'll built a shit ton more.

Starkz
Author:  W Lion [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Quote:
Where are you from, where do you live, and what language do you and the people who live in your city primarily use? I'm getting the feeling that language barriers may be causing some issues for you.
Do you want tell me that I will have problem with the forum?
Because this type of problem doesn't exist for me in my city.
I use the same language of women (italian language, I live in Italy).

Anyway I'm sorry, I'm trying to improve it.
Author:  fudge_88 [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Who did you learn game from in these past 3 years? That FB and riddle talk sounds like some David D shit. You need better mentors. My advice is what you would call the unorthodox variety that you will find on this forum.

I recommend Vin Dicalro. His game is centered around being naturally attractive and the content of the conversation. People say the content of the conversation doesn't matter. These are the law of averages pick up artists, which is no different than an afc with an approach mechanism. They aren't real players.
Author:  Chief [ Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Quote:
Quote:
Where are you from, where do you live, and what language do you and the people who live in your city primarily use? I'm getting the feeling that language barriers may be causing some issues for you.
Do you want tell me that I will have problem with the forum?
Because this type of problem doesn't exist for me in my city.
I use the same language of women (italian language, I live in Italy).

Anyway I'm sorry, I'm trying to improve it.
No, I was assuming that you might have had some communication problem with the women. If everyone's using Italian, though, I probably guessed wrong.
Author:  Alpha Male Blueprint [ Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Ive been at this for almost 8 years now. I still get rejected a majority of the time I am very active. (I can play it safe and cherry pick but thats not as fun). YOU WILL ALWAYS GET REJECTED IN PICK UP. It never ends so get used to it. Honestly what do these random girls know about YOU. your passions, morals, character, experiences, triumphs, goals. They dont know a fraction of that, so they arent really rejecting you. They often have their own issues. Keep your head up bud. Colonel Sanders got rejected 1,009 times in a row before someone said yes to his chicken recipe.
Author:  W Lion [ Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Quote:
Who did you learn game from in these past 3 years? That FB and riddle talk sounds like some David D shit. You need better mentors. My advice is what you would call the unorthodox variety that you will find on this forum.

I recommend Vin Dicarlo.
I studied "Franco seduction" and I tried to follow some advice of two pick up artists that never written a book (but they are very famous at my country).
So, for you my problem is that I've not the theoretical base? I must read others books?
I was thinking that my problem maybe is that I can't go out from my wrong mental loop and so I continued to make always the same errors. It's just a theory.
I mean, when I'm at my house I know what I should do but always I make a mistake when I'm on field.



J Intrigue good mindset!! You're right on this point!
Author:  fudge_88 [ Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another one rejection - I can't win?
Honestly, I'm starting to look down my nose at certain mentalities I've been seeing.

One line like "stop reading PU books" for instance. You should always advance you education.
Quote:
YOU WILL ALWAYS GET REJECTED IN PICK UP.
For me creates a negative belief system. The belief becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. Instead think that there is always at least 1 girl among the flock that you can get. Concentrate on finding that one girl, and ignore the rejections entirely.

Now, for my advice to you. If you feel like you are educated enough and the advice you are getting should work, and it is you that is the one messing up.

Practice.

In your spare time while at home go through the set in your head. Not repeating the knowledge to yourself.

Visualize a girl in some sort of encounter and walk through your motions. Do it for an HOUR. Repetition, repetition, repetition.

True mastery of a skill come from balancing learning (the books), practicing (the rehearsal which removes anxiety, ever been nervous for a test you've studied for?), then doing (get in the field with the stuff)
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