I just read a couple of headlines while browsing forum topics and it occurred to me the scenario of an ugly guy who is great chatting with women but always gets friendzoned by every girl.

Then I remember a newsletter discussing how much time and effort the ladies put into looking good; makeup, aerobics, clothes, jewellery etc and how they read magazines telling them how to make men long for them.

If we divide up PUA into the physical and mental aspect of game, which, in your opinion matters more?

Or do both aspects of Game walk hand in hand?

Thanks.

I just read a couple of headlines while browsing forum topics and it occurred to me the scenario of an ugly guy who is great chatting with women but always gets friendzoned by every girl.

Then I remember a newsletter discussing how much time and effort the ladies put into looking good; makeup, aerobics, clothes, jewellery etc and how they read magazines telling them how to make men long for them.

If we divide up PUA into the physical and mental aspect of game, which, in your opinion matters more?

Or do both aspects of Game walk hand in hand?

Thanks.

Looks are the single most important factor in attracting women.

What most guys overlook is that it's a sliding scale. If you're a 3, you are going to struggle to bang other 3s. Because neither of you are physically attracted to the other. If you're a 5, you're still going to have a lot of problems, in general. You'll be banging mostly 4, 5s, and have to work your ass off to get even 6s, and you'll have something approaching a ceiling of 7s(within social circle - you can forget SNLs in clubs with 7s).

But, if you can hit 6, things open up. Once a girl thinks you're cute right from the start, you can get with her. A 6 can get a 10. Not as easily or as consistently as an 8 could, but he can. A 5? It almost never happens. It's a news worthy event.

Every point you can add, above a 6, comes with diminishing returns. Being an 8 vs a 10, from what I've seen, has much less use. Basically, once you're an 8 you're now "hot" and it's mostly everything else about you that girls are looking at.

tl;dr Great looks help over sort of good looks, but only so much. Average looks are an anchor. Below average looks are a killer.

Looks are the single most important factor in attracting women.

I strongly disagree to a point.

You may have more attention if you're good looking, but no amount of good looks can convert that into a lay.

And even still, unless you're extremely handsome, then those good looks won't make a noticeable difference at all.

Looks are the single most important factor in attracting women.

What most guys overlook is that it's a sliding scale. If you're a 3, you are going to struggle to bang other 3s. Because neither of you are physically attracted to the other. If you're a 5, you're still going to have a lot of problems, in general. You'll be banging mostly 4, 5s, and have to work your ass off to get even 6s, and you'll have something approaching a ceiling of 7s(within social circle - you can forget SNLs in clubs with 7s).

But, if you can hit 6, things open up. Once a girl thinks you're cute right from the start, you can get with her. A 6 can get a 10. Not as easily or as consistently as an 8 could, but he can. A 5? It almost never happens. It's a news worthy event.

Every point you can add, above a 6, comes with diminishing returns. Being an 8 vs a 10, from what I've seen, has much less use. Basically, once you're an 8 you're now "hot" and it's mostly everything else about you that girls are looking at.

tl;dr Great looks help over sort of good looks, but only so much. Average looks are an anchor. Below average looks are a killer.

We're not actually disagreeing at all.
What I said was: Looks are entry level requirement.

You'll never get a chance to have sex if a girl looks at you and thinks "Ew". And you'll be unlikely to do so if she thinks "Meh".