PUA Forum :: Do you know about John Cooper?

He's right about most of the PUA community making you worse with women. But that's not true for the right things. Chase Amante, Cory Skyy, Aaron Sleazy, 60 Years of Challenge, all offer great advice, and can't be compared to Aspergeresque gurus like Mystery, Ross Jefferies, David D, Love Systems and RSD.

Ultimately, he seems to be in the same thread of the good ones. He gets social norms and body language. Things that are widely ignored within the community. He even seems to get vibing which is something that even a lot of the good guys don't get.

The handshake video was quite interesting. I'd noticed some of this as well. It's a good example of actually practical advice that can be absorbed almost instantly.

His advice on approach is also good. Similar to what you find from Cory and Aaron, and what I advocate(cold approach is really the one area I strongly disagree with Chase).

He even seems to get vibing which is something that even a lot of the good guys don't get.

I've noticed a lot of people seem to view the word "vibing" differently than me. When I say vibing, I mean that both of you are emotionally in sync. You, know, a situation where if you laugh, she laughs, even if she literally didn't hear you. Words are coming out of your mouths, but you're mostly communicating without them.

Chase Amante, just about does do an RSD level of free content. He has close to 1,000 articles. A new one is posted every few days. He doesn't do videos(much). It is true that Cory and 60 have been out of the game for a while. Their stuff is pretty old. They pretty much quit back in 2011. But it's not like this stuff changes, and I feel like 60 already offers a complete product.

RSD has some good content. Julien is their best instructor IMO. However, a major core component of RSD is to ignore all feedback from the girl and focus on self amusement and aggressive sexual escalation that is in no way calibrated to her response.

That is more effective than operating in wallflower mode, but it IS in fact much better to hit on interested women, and scale your sexual escalation to her comfort level. RSD tends to only help guys who are good looking and sexually repressed.

It helps because it says go hit on a lot of girls, and go hard for sex. But those useful bits of advice, are packaged with a lot of bad stuff, and it's why I just don't recommend them anymore. Swingcat is probably the only mixed bag I sometimes rec, just because no one explains frames and vibing better than he does. I don't feel like RSD explains anything unique, with the possible exception of "state". But I think they overrate state. If you're in the dumps, yes, you won't usually do well. But if you're at least semi-social, I think it plays a very small role(< %20).

Hey guys,

John Cooper here. appreciate all the nice comments. Thanks particularly for the advice about putting out more free content and doing a free tour. Been putting out 3 videos a week recently and happy to do a free tour if i can drum up enough of an audience.

Where are you guys from? and do you have any other advice?

Cheers

Author:	meetjoeblack [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Do you know about John Cooper?
The other day, I saw post from some member here who posted about how he rejects the community. Inside his signature was a link to pretty much more pickup or his own company. Kind of silly but, whatever. Does anybody here know about John Cooper? I just found his channel. His videos are very Eckhart Tolle, Easter philosophy like. There is a Buddhism, Zen, Taoism under tone to his approach with women. With all the Julien crap going on, there is a lot of companies jumping up to condemn him followed by, ¨buy my program.¨ Or ¨I am not a pickup guy. I am a dating coach.¨ WTF??? So, from the few John Cooper videos I have watched, he speaks about a new paradigm away from cold approach taking a more genuine approach to women. Viewing the action as a way of being but, only cause something genuine and real is there. I highly recommend checking out the youtube channel. I have no intention of buying anything but, I will definitely tune in cause, it is so different then what is typically out there.

Author:	Versalis [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
He's right about most of the PUA community making you worse with women. But that's not true for the right things. Chase Amante, Cory Skyy, Aaron Sleazy, 60 Years of Challenge, all offer great advice, and can't be compared to Aspergeresque gurus like Mystery, Ross Jefferies, David D, Love Systems and RSD. Ultimately, he seems to be in the same thread of the good ones. He gets social norms and body language. Things that are widely ignored within the community. He even seems to get vibing which is something that even a lot of the good guys don't get. The handshake video was quite interesting. I'd noticed some of this as well. It's a good example of actually practical advice that can be absorbed almost instantly. His advice on approach is also good. Similar to what you find from Cory and Aaron, and what I advocate(cold approach is really the one area I strongly disagree with Chase).

Author:	meetjoeblack [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
Quote: He's right about most of the PUA community making you worse with women. But that's not true for the right things. Chase Amante, Cory Skyy, Aaron Sleazy, 60 Years of Challenge, all offer great advice, and can't be compared to Aspergeresque gurus like Mystery, Ross Jefferies, David D, Love Systems and RSD. Ultimately, he seems to be in the same thread of the good ones. He gets social norms and body language. Things that are widely ignored within the community. He even seems to get vibing which is something that even a lot of the good guys don't get. The handshake video was quite interesting. I'd noticed some of this as well. It's a good example of actually practical advice that can be absorbed almost instantly. His advice on approach is also good. Similar to what you find from Cory and Aaron, and what I advocate(cold approach is really the one area I strongly disagree with Chase). Outside a relationship, I have been doing this for a bit, and I notice a lot about what he is saying. I would say, I dated better quality women, women who were less damaged prior to pua but, I also did not approach the volume that I do now. I have to disagree with you with about rsd. No company offers the massive amount of free content nonstop as well as events the way rsd do. While I do not advocate what Julien did, I do see a complete polar opposite from lets say, Julien Blanc and John Cooper. A friend who does pua saw me watching a John Cooper video and thought he was 1) gay or 2) really feminine until I explained he was british lol I suppose he does not pick up on social cues. Interesting you say, Quote: He even seems to get vibing which is something that even a lot of the good guys don't get. Being good would imply they pick up on vibes no? What pua or more particularly, the game (since I do not view myself as a pua despite indulging in this discussion or watching videos) is that, I pick up on female social cues better. An example was that, a wing of mine is natural, and we went out recently. We saw people we know so, we said what is up to the people. A girl and my wing introduced and she was hooked immediately. To attract him or seduce him, she came to the dance floor to dance but, instead of staying away, she went right over by my wing. He called it out. I immediately said, I never picked up on that stuff as a kid the way he did but, even his brother is great with women. I wish I were more natural from a young age. It took Styles book to get me to speed. Even still, my wing I wont compete with just cause. He is my friend so, why would I anyway? I pulled in front of him one time which was awesome to show how far I have come. You are so right about more awesome guys out there. Maybe, I have been drinking the rsd koolaid for too long. Imagine, what if those guys you mentioned or John Cooper really took this stuff serious, and began to flood us with videos every week the way rsdtyler does? What if they all put on their own version of free tour and other events? rsd like them or hate them, nobody had been more innovating then they have imho. What I hate about a lot of other companies is that, they attack Julien followed by; buy my material, I am not a pua, I am a ¨dating coach!¨ what afucking loser! I just like how John Cooper does not brow beat or call them out. He just offers something different and I am taking to it. I hope it creates a shift in pickup then again, John Cooper interviews women who all go on a rant saying they want badboys. It urks and upsets people seeing Julien but, he gives the people or better put, women what they want. I think the one thing pua has done though is disillusion me from the lies of marriage. One thing I fear is that, I settle down, and become fodder later in my life. Enjoying the ride so far.

Author:	Versalis [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
I've noticed a lot of people seem to view the word "vibing" differently than me. When I say vibing, I mean that both of you are emotionally in sync. You, know, a situation where if you laugh, she laughs, even if she literally didn't hear you. Words are coming out of your mouths, but you're mostly communicating without them. Chase Amante, just about does do an RSD level of free content. He has close to 1,000 articles. A new one is posted every few days. He doesn't do videos(much). It is true that Cory and 60 have been out of the game for a while. Their stuff is pretty old. They pretty much quit back in 2011. But it's not like this stuff changes, and I feel like 60 already offers a complete product. RSD has some good content. Julien is their best instructor IMO. However, a major core component of RSD is to ignore all feedback from the girl and focus on self amusement and aggressive sexual escalation that is in no way calibrated to her response. That is more effective than operating in wallflower mode, but it IS in fact much better to hit on interested women, and scale your sexual escalation to her comfort level. RSD tends to only help guys who are good looking and sexually repressed. It helps because it says go hit on a lot of girls, and go hard for sex. But those useful bits of advice, are packaged with a lot of bad stuff, and it's why I just don't recommend them anymore. Swingcat is probably the only mixed bag I sometimes rec, just because no one explains frames and vibing better than he does. I don't feel like RSD explains anything unique, with the possible exception of "state". But I think they overrate state. If you're in the dumps, yes, you won't usually do well. But if you're at least semi-social, I think it plays a very small role(< %20).

Author:	meetjoeblack [ Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
Quote: I've noticed a lot of people seem to view the word "vibing" differently than me. When I say vibing, I mean that both of you are emotionally in sync. You, know, a situation where if you laugh, she laughs, even if she literally didn't hear you. Words are coming out of your mouths, but you're mostly communicating without them. I think it has to do with connotation, context, and the way vibe has been taught over pua. I thought of vibing as in sync but, you laugh, she laughs more as in mirroring, law of state transference, and psychology. Quote: Chase Amante, just about does do an RSD level of free content. He has close to 1,000 articles. A new one is posted every few days. He doesn't do videos(much). It is true that Cory and 60 have been out of the game for a while. Their stuff is pretty old. They pretty much quit back in 2011. But it's not like this stuff changes, and I feel like 60 already offers a complete product. rsd is the biggest company offering the most free content cause most companies are lazy. Nobody puts out the content volume of rsd. Its unmatched with free videos, infield, and events both free and paid. now look at taf vs rsd forum or others? Forget the posters themselves but, most are filled with guys who do not or cannot approach event. I stopped using this for awhile not cause I stopped going out but because, a lot of guys who talk game would no show when you had plans going out. I had guys on a list at an event and they made lame excuses. I can even copy and paste them into this thread. taf is brutal for moderators. now, I am not rsd fanboy. if every company offered me free events, I would see what they have to offer. what I notice of rsd is that, it reeks of misogyny hence the jb fallout. I think it could be more mainstream if they took it out and made it more professional. I think jb was made a scapegoat after the sloot nyc walk video where African americans were made out to be terrible people cause they said hello or complimented the woman. Looked like racism to me. Quote: RSD has some good content. Julien is their best instructor IMO. However, a major core component of RSD is to ignore all feedback from the girl and focus on self amusement and aggressive sexual escalation that is in no way calibrated to her response. I disagree. hyper alpha male behavior is promoted but, they have different takes. to be honest, I have been to a bunch of free tour events cause, it is free, no boot camps cause I have more important stuff to save my money for. Yes, self amusing is a big thing they promote but, so is bringing your party rather than trying to get into her party. they do not suggest dumbing down their approach to micromanage her feelings as in walk on egg shells or half step. I think bringing genuine interest is for the best the way John Cooper speaks of in his paradigm. If I had to pick out the main rsd principle, it is what tyler taught me of, freedom from outcome and intent. This is absolutely incredible. I think if they removed the misogyny, they would do even better. Then again, watch any video online or anywhere. Women like bad boys. Women like to be treated poorly. They like when men give them shit. I suspect it stems from low self esteem. Should men prey upon this? No. Then again, Julien gets laid. While his behavior in advocating what he did that got him banned in countries is offensive, female psychology should be questioned when promoting or watching fifty shades as well as sleeping with men to win approval. Its fucked. Quote: That is more effective than operating in wallflower mode, but it IS in fact much better to hit on interested women, and scale your sexual escalation to her comfort level. RSD tends to only help guys who are good looking and sexually repressed. I feel like more then any other company prior to the jb incident, they catch more shit then anyone. Moderators get angry or even ban on taf and other forums. I do not understand why whereas, David Deangelo never attacked, insulted or acknowledge the competition. Take that same approach to game when other men are involved is awesome. I think too many guys cop out with their looks. Quote: It helps because it says go hit on a lot of girls, and go hard for sex. But those useful bits of advice, are packaged with a lot of bad stuff, and it's why I just don't recommend them anymore. Swingcat is probably the only mixed bag I sometimes rec, just because no one explains frames and vibing better than he does. I don't feel like RSD explains anything unique, with the possible exception of "state". But I think they overrate state. If you're in the dumps, yes, you won't usually do well. But if you're at least semi-social, I think it plays a very small role(< %20). I cannot speak for everyone but, I feel they have helped my game. For some, they do absolutely nothing for and you sound like that. Mystery helped me initially get started but, I never got into routines. I could not. I like David Deanglo cause he got me into cock funny. He seemed to do well in other areas of his life. He was non confrontational to other pua rival companies. He really helped my game with his success series. I really like John Cooper. He speaks about being genuine. Today, I met some more girls, I had a instant date, and met some more. In my head, like a checklist, I stated I had made my minimum three cold approaches like a certain pua suggested. Then, I thought, wtf? I realize how unhealthy pua is. Women are not just numbers or a number game. Yes, volume approaching is ideal cause, women get lots of male attention. I feel like pickup is unhealthy. I dated better women with more similar interests, women of passions, and interests that were refreshing. I date more cause of pua but, I will never be one cause it feels empty. I am chasing down my ego and I will never reach the finish line. It is so unhealthy. I wont stop approaching cause, its now who I have become but, I will never be a pua. I want to love a woman. I want a family. I want to be real, share my dreams, and feel something when I have sex with a woman I like or love. With pua, its just a new approach or the next girl. The next thing to make me happy but, it never does and she never will set me free. I need to work on autonomy like John Cooper says. What makes me mad though is that, Julien Blanc or the bad boys will always get laid more then a man who is real and genuine. I learned a lot from Julien at free tour at which time, he never advocated as aggressive game like choking or the crotch thing. He is really good at game but, role playing with women, being a bad boy does do it. I just hate women try to put me on the white knight box. I resent that.

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Author:	JohnCooper [ Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
Hey guys, John Cooper here. appreciate all the nice comments. Thanks particularly for the advice about putting out more free content and doing a free tour. Been putting out 3 videos a week recently and happy to do a free tour if i can drum up enough of an audience. Where are you guys from? and do you have any other advice? Cheers

Author:	meetjoeblack [ Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Do you know about John Cooper?
Quote: Hey guys, John Cooper here. appreciate all the nice comments. Thanks particularly for the advice about putting out more free content and doing a free tour. Been putting out 3 videos a week recently and happy to do a free tour if i can drum up enough of an audience. Where are you guys from? and do you have any other advice? Cheers More stuff on your perspective; genuine interest fueling the necessity to see and be with a woman. The handshake video someone recommended and I notice it now in my experiences. I feel which women are more masculine and which are all the more feminine. Other insights like this would be great. Also, if you do free tour events along with Johnny Berba (noticed you both have a similar yet different message), I am sure you will reach a larger audience. I never hear anything the least bit misogynistic or anything remotely harmful. I love the videos. Keep them coming.

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