PUA Forum :: BEST PUA Method to use in 2014?

I am asian, short, skinny, have acne, look like 15, small dick. Does it matter? HELL NO.

Mystery is not a normal human being. I often compare him to Michael Jackson. Yeah, generally nice guy, sort of interesting and charismatic in a strange way, but not someone I'd ask for advice on much of anything.

Mystery is better than RSD or David DeAngelo, but it's really an awful starting point. He teaches you so many bizarre things that no normal human being does. The primary reason PUA has a public image of being creepy, is mostly thanks to Mystery.

Good Looking Loser can be a good place to start for a new guy. It's simple, realistic and doesn't get into evolutionary psychology bullshit.

What are some of the bizarre things?

Palm readings. Body rocking. Neg openers. Long winded "DHV"s(which are obvious bullshit) like the girl who cast a spell on his friend Aaron, or the time he got into a car chase with police cars trailing them, or hacking into a bank, robbing millions from some rich dude and giving it to charity.
But far and away the winner: Refusing to sleep with a woman who is in your bed naked, wanting to fuck you, because it's only been 6 hours, and is thus "fool's mate" because it has to be 10 hours.

Not to derail but, what people get wrong with MM is they take what Mystery himself gave as his personal routines, ignore that it states use stuff that is kinda believable or grounded with your identity and they also miss the context of what's taught. What makes MM good for most beginners is that it's conservative and can work for attractive or unattractive guys to get some experience. In fact, most of the "bizarre" things are done in a joking manner.

Okay so i am new to Game... Decided i'm going to dedicate myself to improving this aspect of my life.

I have heard that some methods such as the Mystery Method have become old and out dated.

It got me wondering which PUA method would be the most up to date? Which method is everyone using these days? Is there a method that helps to become a better "natural" if you know what i mean

Author:	Reckless81 [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:12 pm ]
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Okay so i am new to Game... Decided i'm going to dedicate myself to improving this aspect of my life. I have heard that some methods such as the Mystery Method have become old and out dated. It got me wondering which PUA method would be the most up to date? Which method is everyone using these days? Is there a method that helps to become a better "natural" if you know what i mean

Author:	Hunter_Foxe [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:06 am ]
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I recommend RSD Julien, Tyler and Jeffy. Not as keen on Brad, Alex or Todd. Aside from them, the best book you can read is 60 Years of Challenge. It was a game changer for me.

Author:	Versalis [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:15 am ]
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I'll second 60YOC. 60 is legit. RSD won't help any more than "Get out there and have fun". Most of their community are incels and what they focus on is mostly wrong, trapping unsuccessful guys in the very problems holding them back. I can't recommend them. Quote: I am asian, short, skinny, have acne, look like 15, small dick. Does it matter? HELL NO. 10,000 approaches, one lay. Fairly normal results from RSD. Tyler will tell you "Looks don't matter. Status doesn't matter. Only 'game' matters". It's pernicious.

Author:	Rebooting [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:40 pm ]
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I still say you should read the Mystery Method. It provides an excellent base from which to work on. You can really tell the guy spent years of his life analysing social dynamics and how people work. Just take what he says with a grain of salt (don't be that guy running around throwing canned routines) but I think he set an excellent theoretical frame about how attraction works.

Author:	Versalis [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:18 pm ]
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Mystery is not a normal human being. I often compare him to Michael Jackson. Yeah, generally nice guy, sort of interesting and charismatic in a strange way, but not someone I'd ask for advice on much of anything. Mystery is better than RSD or David DeAngelo, but it's really an awful starting point. He teaches you so many bizarre things that no normal human being does. The primary reason PUA has a public image of being creepy, is mostly thanks to Mystery. Good Looking Loser can be a good place to start for a new guy. It's simple, realistic and doesn't get into evolutionary psychology bullshit.

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Author:	neo87 [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:29 pm ]
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Quote: Mystery is not a normal human being. I often compare him to Michael Jackson. Yeah, generally nice guy, sort of interesting and charismatic in a strange way, but not someone I'd ask for advice on much of anything. Mystery is better than RSD or David DeAngelo, but it's really an awful starting point. He teaches you so many bizarre things that no normal human being does. The primary reason PUA has a public image of being creepy, is mostly thanks to Mystery. Good Looking Loser can be a good place to start for a new guy. It's simple, realistic and doesn't get into evolutionary psychology bullshit. What are some of the bizarre things?

Author:	Hunter_Foxe [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:56 pm ]
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RSD Julien is the best for my style. It's more Tyler who goes on about the inner happiness stuff, mainly because he is short and ginger and you can tell this still bothers him a little bit, despite all his "looks don't matter" stuff. Julien is the "no bullshit" version of Tyler. All pickup gurus are trying to make money out of you. Don't kid yourself that it's just RSD. Even the legendary 60yoc.

Author:	Versalis [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:01 pm ]
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Certainly, 60 wants your money. But what he says is almost entirely true. I see very little, complete BS coming out of him. He may engage in some sleazy marketing, but his product is solid. Julien and Tim are the only guys from RSD who consistently sleep with attractive women. My biggest problem with RSD, is that any RSD product contains a lot of Tyler, and he's the biggest bullshitter of the lot. Dude's done something like 30,000 approaches with 50 lays. He's not good with women, he's a marketer, like Eben Pagan. I don't like to suggest something to new people unless it's almost totally accurate, and I don't feel that is even close to true for Tyler. Quote: What are some of the bizarre things? Palm readings. Body rocking. Neg openers. Long winded "DHV"s(which are obvious bullshit) like the girl who cast a spell on his friend Aaron, or the time he got into a car chase with police cars trailing them, or hacking into a bank, robbing millions from some rich dude and giving it to charity. But far and away the winner: Refusing to sleep with a woman who is in your bed naked, wanting to fuck you, because it's only been 6 hours, and is thus "fool's mate" because it has to be 10 hours.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:31 pm ]
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I'd advocate Gunwitch's newest material which he released just last year, "Seduction MMA." There's a reason he's been around this long and keeps getting credit. However, I'd also suggest that you research different ideas and styles to see what best meshes with your personality. There really isn't a "best" version of pickup and seduction. While you should be open to pushing yourself, testing limits and questioning old ideas you had about women and relationships when starting with this, there are some things you just can't change. So what one guy teaches may be better for you than me. Adapt game to you, not the other way around.

Author:	Versalis [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:54 pm ]
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60 is basically a polished version of Gunwitch. I'm surprised Gun is able to offer a new product. Is he already out of jail after shooting that girl in the face?

Author:	Vandal PUA [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:30 am ]
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Yeah, lol. Gunwitch's new method, the bullet method. I personally love RSD. The Blueprint Decoded blew my mind (watched the first 17 of the 20 DVD's). Stealth Attraction is great for clubs. I haven't seen any 60YOC material although I've heard of it.

Author:	neo87 [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:39 am ]
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Quote: Palm readings. Body rocking. Neg openers. Long winded "DHV"s(which are obvious bullshit) like the girl who cast a spell on his friend Aaron, or the time he got into a car chase with police cars trailing them, or hacking into a bank, robbing millions from some rich dude and giving it to charity. But far and away the winner: Refusing to sleep with a woman who is in your bed naked, wanting to fuck you, because it's only been 6 hours, and is thus "fool's mate" because it has to be 10 hours. Not to derail but, what people get wrong with MM is they take what Mystery himself gave as his personal routines, ignore that it states use stuff that is kinda believable or grounded with your identity and they also miss the context of what's taught. What makes MM good for most beginners is that it's conservative and can work for attractive or unattractive guys to get some experience. In fact, most of the "bizarre" things are done in a joking manner. Palm Reading - is an isolation excuse and a way to touch girls palms slowly and seductively. You acknowledge it's bs. Body rocking - is just acting like you're about to leave to make girls comfortable. If you think about it, we all body rock naturally when talking to ppl and about to leave or we're distracted. Neg openers - Only neg opener I've heard in MM is do you know why you suck. Which is a solid humorous direct opener. Long winded DHV's - just stories which are humorous. Those are some extreme examples. Most DHV's stories have a few bits about your lifestyle sprinkled in and end with a punch line. 6 hour vs 7 hour thing - Never stated in MM, not to fuck a willing girl if it's before 7 hours. Just that if you don't want the girl to get buyers remorse later, take your time and build a solid connection first. I'm not even a big MM fan, just dislike seeing misconceptions about it that can't be found anywhere in it. Mystery was a super tall magician in LA who wanted a certain type of woman. The routines he gave were his examples and not to be used in most other situations. It's like peacocking. The guy said wear one interesting article such as a chain or watch or whatever. He wore a top hat and boa. Somehow peacocking is "wear a top hat and boa." Negs went from simple teases like "how do you roll with this girl" to "you're a dumb slut" so negs are bad now. It states "most of the game is played in comfort" but when guys spend the entire time joking and negging a girl, it's because MM says so. 99% of what people say is wrong with MM are not even in MM.

Author:	Chief [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:33 am ]
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I urge you all to read my new ebook Attraction Arsenal: my-new-ebook-attraction-arsenal-vt182696.html No matter how outdated a method may become, the basics of attraction will always hold true. Forget all of those gimmicks like palm reading and shit. Work on the fundamentals and use your own "method" that comes from practicing the little things that actually work. I recently answered a very similar question in another thread here: is-mm-dying-vt185207.html

Author:	Versalis [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:31 pm ]
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Quote: Not to derail but, what people get wrong with MM is they take what Mystery himself gave as his personal routines, ignore that it states use stuff that is kinda believable or grounded with your identity and they also miss the context of what's taught. What makes MM good for most beginners is that it's conservative and can work for attractive or unattractive guys to get some experience. In fact, most of the "bizarre" things are done in a joking manner. That sounds an awful lot like "People just aren't reading the Bible right. See, all those people doing those things aren't REAL Christians, REAL Christians do things this way(like I do)". Whether the core material is the problem, or just how most people interpret it, I would not suggest something that usually leads to people acting like weirdos. Perhaps they just interpret MM wrong. But for whatever reason, there are a few books that most people don't misinterpret.

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Author:	skills360 [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:32 am ]
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Quote: Okay so i am new to Game... Decided i'm going to dedicate myself to improving this aspect of my life. I have heard that some methods such as the Mystery Method have become old and out dated. It got me wondering which PUA method would be the most up to date? Which method is everyone using these days? Is there a method that helps to become a better "natural" if you know what i mean For the fundamentals: A really good place to start for what is called outer game is "60 years of challenge" One of the most important aspect of pick up(you will understand as you go along), which is "neediness management/investment" the best book overall is models mark manson.... I would start with "models" by mark manson, before anything else then 60.. Then as you are reading and going out and experimenting, you can see what is working for you, and were do you gravitate towards and can keep reading niche stuff....