Did you think that she was going to say no? I can't figure out why you would ask her out to dinner and you can't afford it.

I can afford to pay for myself.

I want to show her that I have the balls to ask her to pay for herself until I close.

At what point and in what way do I tell her?

My problem is that this girl is genuinely a 10 and I have a feeling like most 10s no guy would ever have told her this in her life.

You've agreed to take a HB10 out for dinner and drinks and she's agreed. I dont want to pay for her for 2 reasons. 1. I can't afford it and 2. I want to show her that I have the balls to ask her to pay for herself until I close.

At what point and in what way do I tell her? My problem is that this girl is genuinely a 10 and I have a feeling like most 10s no guy would ever have told her this in her life.

Thanks for any help.

Yeah, dinner dates aren't great to start with.

In either event, it's usually not a big deal. Either a girl is interested in seeing you or she isn't. The date has little to do with it, provided you're not doing something awful. Just swap it out for something else. If she says no, then she was planning on going with you paying, mostly as an ego boost.

I kind of agree on not spending a lot of money on a date, but *mostly* because it gets girls to go out with you who are not really into you. She's mostly going on the date, and you're just the object there picking up the tab.

However, paying for a date or a drink, etc, does not kill existing attraction. That's a myth created by socially retarded "PUA"s who didn't understand the concept of a woman enjoying a man showering her with things. It doesn't mean she would get with him if only he hadn't done that. It just doesn't get him anywhere good. You can't buy sexual attraction.

I have nothing against spending money on a date. I look at money as a tool. If throwing cash at something makes things easier, go for it.

However, many of my friends have gone on dates with a guy they were not even remotely into because it was a fun date. Concerts, theme parks, charity events, even a week long cruise in one case. Their justification was simple, he didn't explicitly ask them with "romantic"(sexual) intentions.

And I don't even have gold digging or especially vain friends. Those girls are much worse about it.

I believe you can tell the difference between women who are interested in you and ones who are not. Your good experience with taking girls on expensive dinner dates owes a great deal to your ability to screen women. Most guys do not have that skill.

I think the whole gold digger date comes from taking girls to dinners OUT OF THEIR PRICE LEAGUE. If the girl is broke or has a lower paying job, and you're offering a nice dinner, yes, you may be getting used. However, if the girl has a good paying career, she's not getting dressed and going to eat with you to save herself pocket change. Key to not getting used, is to make the date something she could and probably would pay for herself if she was just in the mood to do it. You can take a girl to a 5 star expensive restaurant; just make sure she's the type of girl who would typically go to that restaurant.

Dinner dates typically aren't good for cold approach game first dates, just because many women are not that comfortable on the first meeting and you have to build alot on a first date (from cold approach). You can take a woman you see regularly like at work or social circle to dinner and it's fine, because you've known each other for a while and will see each other again. For cold approach, you kinda have to accomplish more in the first date, because if she's relatively good looking, you have to stand out to get a second date. A simple dinner date isn't good because it's mostly conversation and one venue, less chance for touch and playfulness.

Inviting her out for dinner before you've banged her is the problem. I usually just invite them for out for a drink and maybe buy the first couple of rounds then say in jokey way right its your turn. I've never had a girl once not by me a drink in return. It avoids this whole entire situation you have put yourself in.