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| Author: | Cupid_007 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY?!?! |
So I approach a walking set, get infront of her, stop her in her tracks by saying "hey", get her eyecontact and then say "I just saw you walking past, and I had to tell you, you look attractive." And then she smiles, and says "thankyou" (everything's awesome until this point) but then she immediately starts walking away without saying a word or giving any kind of excuse. And even if I try to continue the conversation right away, "You have this interesting look to you..." She'll start walking away... (even if i'm in the midst of saying that sentence!!) and I don't know how to deal with this issue or what I'm doing wrong. I'm clueless. I'm unable to transition to a normal conversation or talk to her because she just quickly, quietly vanishes like Houdini without saying a word soon after I approach her. And even if she does actually stay, within 20-30 seconds she ends up just leaving - also without giving any kind of excuse or saying anything. She'll just walk off as if it's completely acceptable to do that. Please give me advice on how to deal with this difficulty that I keep encountering. That is super frustrating and annoying. |
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| Author: | n2thevoid [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Did u eat a garlic clove before heading out? |
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
My guess is you stop her, open and wait for a reaction. It seemed wierd, and your open doesn't sound like you expect her to stay. Sound like you've said what you want to. Your vide might also be shit. Can't tell. |
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| Author: | Cupid_007 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: Did u eat a garlic clove before heading out?
yes just in case i meet a vampire chick lol
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| Author: | Cupid_007 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: My guess is you stop her, open and wait for a reaction. It seemed wierd, and your open doesn't sound like you expect her to stay. Sound like you've said what you want to.
I don't wait for a reaction. I wait for to invest as soon as I deliver my opening line and then I attempt to keep plowing with lines but she just leaves in the middle.Your vide might also be shit. Can't tell. But I like what you said about "your open doesn't sound like you expect her to stay" that's probably part of the reason why she leaves. I need to project an expectation for her to stay but I don't know how to do that though. |
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Something in line with what I would say is more like, "hey there! I saw you and wanted to come check you out. What's your name?" The act of checking someone out implies the expenditure of time. Saying hi or telling her she looks nice does not. |
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| Author: | sketchspace [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Maybe it wasn't you. Maybe she was having a bad day. Maybe she was hit on too many times earlier that she didn't want to deal with another guy. You just don't know. All you really can do is be present and honest about yourself in your interaction. It seems to me you were doing just that. |
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| Author: | BITmixit [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
The majority of women upon hearing the lines "You look beautiful" or "Your so attractive" will just roll their eyes think "oh another creep" and want to get out of there asap. You've got to actually give them a reason to talk to you. Not just expect it because you gave them a compliment. The other thing is that they're are too many variables to justify thinking about it. She could have a boyfriend, she could be a lesbian, she could have just been chatted up, her mum might be ill. You just don't know, so just don't worry about it. |
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Guys, the op is talking about an ongoing problem, not just one girl. To blame circumstance or all these girls for the problem is fuck'n AFC. He was right to think he was doing something wrong and to come here to figure out the error in his ways. I approach busy girls, I appoach girls who are tired of being hit on, girls with boyfriends, girls with earphones in, and 8 times out 10 they stop dead, cross their angles and stand there playing with their hair. Stop making bullshit excuses for this guy. He, I think quite correctly, identified that he has presentation problem. "Just be yourself" is some shit advice if who he is is a guy projecting an energy he doesn't understand or control. This is obviously a technical problem. |
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| Author: | n2thevoid [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: Guys, the op is talking about an ongoing problem, not just one girl. To blame circumstance or all these girls for the problem is fuck'n AFC. He was right to think he was doing something wrong and to come here to figure out the error in his ways.
I approach busy girls, I appoach girls who are tired of being hit on, girls with boyfriends, girls with earphones in, and 8 times out 10 they stop dead, cross their angles and stand there playing with their hair. Stop making bullshit excuses for this guy. He, I think quite correctly, identified that he has presentation problem. "Just be yourself" is some shit advice if who he is is a guy projecting an energy he doesn't understand or control. This is obviously a technical problem. This is why a lot of guys come here. To find some sort of an algorithm, set of techniques, and/or routines they can use to desperately improve their standing with women. It's a backward approach they're hoping will lead to some sort of inner change. This is the dellusion, you can't fix the inner by addressing it from the outer. Put another way, you'll always be looking outside of yourself for validation if that's where the change originates. Working on yourself, connecting to yourself, with the object of meeting YOUR OWN needs rather than being dependent on any one person or persons to fill that lack within is the only thing that'll lead to any meaningful change. You can feign/fake being "alpha" all you want, most people can tell some it may take more time than others to realize that your persona is just a facade, a sort of over-compensation and you'll end up alone as you had always felt anyway. If you want to project good energy, that good energy must be real and exist from within. Your interactions will be far more authentic and you'll be a more attractive person both to yourself and others around you. This is why with some guys they become successful with women later in life 30s/40s because they give less than 2 shits of what other people think; their sense of self isn't as externally derived and most of this comes about experientially. And herein lies the kicker...the LESS you care about external things (e.g., opinions, judgments of others real or imagined), the more you'll attract the kind of people you want in your life (higher self-esteem people). The inverse is also true: the MORE you care about external things (e.g., opinions, judgments of others real or imagined) the more you'll attract the wrong (toxic) people in your life - why? Subconsciously you feel you need them in your life as a means to connecting to yourself. You CANNOT connect to yourself through women, I've tried it over and over and have now had to accept this reality. In the last few years I went through a spat of terribly toxic relationships with damaged women - it wasn't always this way, however. I had to the fortune of being with some pretty amazing women too in the years before (luck of the draw, perhaps). What does this all mean? Build your house on a solid foundation, the bedrock from which the foundation is laid upon should be a solid mass, NOT stilts built upon a sandy base (your house will fall to pieces or at least become precariously unstable once one of the supports washes away). Or, if you will, imagine yourself as that huge Oak tree. Roots planted firmly into the ground, and the roots are plentiful and anchored deeply. The base of that solid house, the roots of the tree, those represent the connection you have to yourself, your experience ("What's this sensation going on in my body right now?"). This process is life-long, but the sooner you embark on doing this the more grounded you'll feel in yourself and the byproduct is that you'll never have to rely on cold reads, being a certain way (e.g. the funny/cock guy), use routines like the cube, or any other thing that basically means trying to cheaply sell yourself to another person like a used car sale's man trying to upsell you on a car you know is a piece of crap. I digress. The OP questions himself, he has an uncertainty about him which is quite obvious to me. Rather than help him tweak his 'game' he'd be far better served working on building a greater self-awareness and building a stronger connection to himself. All the rest will fall into place once he begins doing this. |
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
In principal I agree, but all the inner game in the world won't help if you have a booger hanging from your nose and no one points it out. |
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| Author: | n2thevoid [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: In principal I agree, but all the inner game in the world won't help if you have a booger hanging from your nose and no one points it out.
But you'll be disaffected by said booger, and people will be drawn to you intrigued by your unfazed attitude.
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: Quote: In principal I agree, but all the inner game in the world won't help if you have a booger hanging from your nose and no one points it out.
But you'll be disaffected by said booger, and people will be drawn to you intrigued by your unfazed attitude. |
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| Author: | DJ_Z [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Direct game comes from a mental frame problem. First off, it makes it so you feel the need to excuse yourself to talk to a woman. But more importantly, telling her she's hot is just stating a fact. She's probably known for a while that she's hot and that's why guys sometimes talk to her randomly. It was like saying "windy out isn't it?" She responds then leaves, because direct game is not great. Imagine you had said hey, gotten her attention and said "you look exactly like my ex, but with a different vibe." Getting her curious is better than anything else.** **credit to Gunwitch, Seduction MMA |
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| Author: | n2thevoid [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Girls silently walk off, after I deliver the opener. WHY |
Quote: Quote: Quote: In principal I agree, but all the inner game in the world won't help if you have a booger hanging from your nose and no one points it out.
But you'll be disaffected by said booger, and people will be drawn to you intrigued by your unfazed attitude. |
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