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Author:  Straightforward [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women?
So two weeks ago I met this asian girl. She was hard to handle, when I invited her to my place, she said "no, I don't want to" but at the same time stroking her breasts was fine with her.

She was there on holiday and actually said that she didn't want to meet me tomorrow because she only had three days in my city(we spent one of them together) and she desperately needed to see some fucked up museum.

Obviously you cannot compete with a building.

But I thought, the very fact that she is here only for a short period of time makes it easier to have sex with her, but no, she wants to see a museum instead.

Also she didn't want to go to my place but instead hang out in a greasy youth hostel in the lobby with me?(I asked her about her room situation and she said, she was in a dorm, so no fucking there). I said, great, you want to go to your youth hostel, I want to go home, so that's it. And I left that cunt.

She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it. If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way blahblahblah.

If it is so easy to have sex with women who are travelling, why do I experience that shit then?
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
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She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it. If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way blahblahblah.
Ask her if she can fuck herself.
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If it is so easy to have sex with women who are travelling, why do I experience that shit then?
By picking the wrong one.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
She's leading you and you're letting her lead you because she is fully aware that you want her and aren't going anywhere.

Have you ever been trying to sleeping with a girl and yet she kept resisting; and it got to the point where you're like " Man.. fuck this.. I don't want her ".. What happens then? All of a sudden the girl wants you and that is because you were willing to completely let the situation go.

A woman doesn't want a man than is leaning on her because he wants something from her. She wants the man that can get what he wants from anywhere, but chooses to get it from her.

So this is to you and everyone else.. Unless you're willing to completely walk away from the situation and never look back; the women will always have the upper hand. Women behave a lot different when they know that you're confident enough to walk away.
Author:  AFCToTheMax [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
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She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it. If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way blahblahblah.
Ask her if she can fuck herself.

I loled on this one hard :D
Author:  Straightforward [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
EddieWOTP, what would you've done in each described situation?
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:23 pm ]
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EddieWOTP, what would you've done in each described situation?

With all due respect Straightforward, I wouldn't be in those situations.. Women react and behave in ways according to the mental frame a man has set for himself. Women are always reacting to us; if we're weak they'll sniff it out and behave accordingly; if we're strong they'll sniff that out an submit themselves for fear that they'll lose out on whats in front of them.

Now if a woman mustered up the courage to try me in that situation I would of simply gave her a hug and say " Goodbye" and she would of never seen me again. And women can feel this (intuition 10x strong than ours), which is exactly why I wouldn't be in that situation.

Clear enough?
Author:  Straightforward [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
EddieWOTP, to summarize
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"when I invited her to my place, she said "no, I don't want to""
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"she didn't want to meet me tomorrow because she only had three days in my city(we spent one of them together) and she desperately needed to see some fucked up museum."
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"Also she didn't want to go to my place but instead hang out in a greasy youth hostel in the lobby with me?"
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it."
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way"
You hug her and say goodbye.

Interesting that your method seems to work every time. But what happened to persistence?
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With all due respect Straightforward, I wouldn't be in those situations..
Arrogance towards other members leads you nowhere.
Author:  Versalis [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
Why did you go back to her hostel and *then* ask her back to your place? That one confuses me. You spent the day together, why not try to go to your place first?
Author:  Straightforward [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:47 pm ]
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Why did you go back to her hostel and *then* ask her back to your place? That one confuses me. You spent the day together, why not try to go to your place first?
I met her in a store. I talked to her and then I invited her to join me. I did kino to reward her for good behaviour while walking towards my flat(without having told her). Then while walking I said: "Btw, this is where I live". My goal was to walk around with her and then come back to my place and invite her in. The idea is to make her get accustomed to the area, so she can see that it's safe and then for her to get used to the idea of going there.

On our way back, she stopped at the greasy youth hostel that she was staying in, which, unfortunately was on the way.
Author:  Versalis [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:48 am ]
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I met her in a store. I talked to her and then I invited her to join me. I did kino to reward her for good behaviour while walking towards my flat(without having told her). Then while walking I said: "Btw, this is where I live". My goal was to walk around with her and then come back to my place and invite her in. The idea is to make her get accustomed to the area, so she can see that it's safe and then for her to get used to the idea of going there.

On our way back, she stopped at the greasy youth hostel that she was staying in, which, unfortunately was on the way.
You met her in a store and then expected to take her straight back to your place for a shag? I'm not saying this is never possible, but it's not very likely. I thought you said you spent the day together?
Author:  Hint [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
If you don't show interest then she's more likely going to want to sleep with you. especially if a women is insecure. In your case she's proclaiming she's independent...insecure .

Just read more comments . Sorry this one is a little out of my league.

Why so sneaky? Or am I just to new :/?
Author:  NaughtyNapoleon [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:31 am ]
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She's leading you and you're letting her lead you because she is fully aware that you want her and aren't going anywhere.

Have you ever been trying to sleeping with a girl and yet she kept resisting; and it got to the point where you're like " Man.. fuck this.. I don't want her ".. What happens then? All of a sudden the girl wants you and that is because you were willing to completely let the situation go.

A woman doesn't want a man than is leaning on her because he wants something from her. She wants the man that can get what he wants from anywhere, but chooses to get it from her.

So this is to you and everyone else.. Unless you're willing to completely walk away from the situation and never look back; the women will always have the upper hand. Women behave a lot different when they know that you're confident enough to walk away.
Yes, you let her lead all the way..She's just using you as tourist guide dude.

Move on brother.

You are too late to change her perception on you.

ANyway, this is also a signal that you should improve yourself to a sexier man. So it's really time to work on yourself.
Author:  BondGirl [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
hey it sounds that u were dealing with manipulative tease, she sounds like bitch that plays guys and thinks she is independent. U had totally wrong behavior towards her, and with walking her to hotel u look a bit desperate, u should make her chase you and not u chasing her, also u should make urself look a great catch.
when u felt resistance, was it real or was it fake, r u able to recognize them. In both cases there is still possibility to turn situation around and destroy resistance. All u need to do is to make her comfortable and that she knows it is right. Also when she said that she wants to see some museum u could take advantage of situation and said that u can show her something even more interesting in your city (it really has to be more interesting) and game her from then on.

Best regards and i wish u that u wont need to handle with such a bitch anymore;)
Author:  Gunfighter28 [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
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EddieWOTP, to summarize
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"when I invited her to my place, she said "no, I don't want to""
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"she didn't want to meet me tomorrow because she only had three days in my city(we spent one of them together) and she desperately needed to see some fucked up museum."
You hug her and say goodbye.
Quote:
"Also she didn't want to go to my place but instead hang out in a greasy youth hostel in the lobby with me?"
You hug her and say goodbye.
Quote:
"She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it."
You hug her and say goodbye.
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"If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way"
You hug her and say goodbye.

Interesting that your method seems to work every time. But what happened to persistence?
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With all due respect Straightforward, I wouldn't be in those situations..
Arrogance towards other members leads you nowhere.
If a woman knows you are confident and have no problem letting her walk at anytime A) because you have plenty of happiness in your life without her B) because you're able to meet and attract new women at anytime. She'll realize that and as Eddie said be submissive to you're strength. It sounds to me like you're submitting to her strength. Tyler Durden once said as much as you may like to think it women don't like you for some esotaric part of your soul, they like you because she saw you were able to attract women and people and you're someone people want to know.

Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not here to put ppl down, but clearly you're not at that level because if you were you'd know what Eddie is saying isn't arrogance its truth.
Author:  Straightforward [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you deal with self-proclaimed "independent" women
What happened to persistence?

Interesting perspective about me not leading her, but you are wrong, I did lead her.

What you do, hugging her and leaving makes you just jerk off at home. Because she won't come with you. And why is that? Because she is oh-so-independent.

Yes, I actually do have alternatives at the moment, so I don't have to fake that.

I could do a freeze out but leaving her will make me not see her again.

In fact, when she wanted me to go to her greasy lobby I said: "Okay, you want to go to your lobby with me, I want to go home with you, so that is it". She thought for quite some time and said that she wanted to go to her greasy lobby. I said "Bye" and left. Did she follow me?

No, she didn't.

Of course not. Because this I-can-leave mentality means giving her control: "I am leaving, you can follow me or leave". A huge loop she has to jump through and so she does not.

The reason I wrote about arrogance is that you base your judgement on a vague overview of the worst things that happened. Like a judge in court who decides based on evidence being given which results in false convictions.

Instead, ask more than you judge.
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