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| Author: | ziki [ Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Can both Players be Alpha? |
Amongst some of my wingmen, that i hang out to approach women, there is one in particular that is the life of the party. When we go out, he has this explosive personality that outshines everybody. And i mean even women cant talk in front of him. Its like he goes into a trance and performs, and talks non-stop and without wasting time to breathe and entertain the whole set until the very end. My question is can i run game alongside him when this happens? Cause everytime I've tried it result to a failed attempt. When this happens, i cant isolate and focus on any target, cause the whole group gets drawn to his energy and his exuberance. Even if i can copy what he does, does it make sense to run the same game simultaneously, or do i have to wait and run it on another set? I feel like there's no need to have two of a kind on a situation like this. So if i dont get an early start i might as well have to wait for the next set. |
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| Author: | hugge [ Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can both Players be Alpha? |
IMO the answer to your question is no. There can only be one alpha male (or natural leader, or even an attention whore) in a group. Competing will just create a conflict. In every group there is a competition about attention, usually among men. Some people are attention whores, others are not. The ones who want the attention the most will probably get it, since it is convenient to have a leader and take the beta role. The one who wins this competition becomes the "alpha male". If two guys would compete about the alpha position, and nobody gives up, you will have a conflict. You could play your game as beta male, but it is much harder and you need to isolate your target - take her away from the alpha male. |
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| Author: | GrayJay [ Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can both Players be Alpha? |
IMO, male relationships are based upon unspoken status agreements. I think you can be an Alpha rolling with another Alpha but yuo have to respect each others status. In this situation you are not AS alpha as your buddy. If you were as Alpha as him you would have put a stop to his disrepect already. I would suggest working on him with a framework of equality. Push shit on him when steps on you and defend youself from his asshole behavior (play the game). Force the issue (w/out words) and growl in his face if he growls in your face. But also let it be "known" that youre not wanting to shoot him down. Be like a dog... bare your teeth (let him know you'll bite) and then wag your tail (let him know youre willing to have peace). Lastly (DO THIS): Watch the Clint Eastwood movie "For a Few Dollars More" (dl it from TPB - I can help) and observe how the two dominant gunslingers work out their social truce. Watch their eyes as well. It's fucking brilliant. |
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| Author: | GamesSN [ Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can both Players be Alpha? |
There can be more than one Alpha male but you better see each other as equal and non-competitive towards one another. The whole point of a wingman is to complement the other. It works extremely well, a lot better than solo. The only exception to this, in my opinion, is when you both play the same type of game in which case you can only compete or be seen as one being better than the other. If your friend plays the entertainer you play the relaxed, easy going and interesting guy. While he's entertaining a group you pick a target and run your game on her. You just have to make sure you and your wing don't overlap or get in each others way. Let the other guys focus be on ramping up energy with a group but make your own focus be on the girl you want, escalating with her. The group will see this bond between you and their friend and will admire you all the more, seeing you as an independent individual who isn't intimidated by high energy situations. If he steps on your toes he's not a wingman and he's not helping you, himself or anyone else. If that's the case just ditch him and get another wing to be your equal. |
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| Author: | Jay (Majik) [ Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can both Players be Alpha? |
Just go for a different girl than he is. Holy fuck, you are complicating the shit out of this. If its you and a buddy, especially a guy who's good, pulling a 2 girls should not be a problem. You fucking help each other. If he's talking to 2 girls, you go in and take the friend of the one he's going after. You both bring them to an after party. You both fuck them in the bedroom. Stop trying to compete with the guy and make it a team effort. |
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| Author: | Donston [ Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can both Players be Alpha? |
If he is your wing it should be a team effort. You should have rules established early on like: 1) The one who approaches get's to pick his target first ... while the wing entertains the rest of the group. 2) Now it is up to the guy who approached to immediately isolate his target ... whether he shifts the targets attention towards him and her back away from you entertaining her friends. - The point is to isolate the targets attention from group and your wing. For example when approaching a two set: - You approach ... pick your target ... then your wing comes in to entertain the other girl. - It is up to you and your wing to isolate the two girls attention from each other. Once you've picked your target, slightly turn the girls attention away from her friend and your wing. Simultaneously, your wing should do the same. NOW ... if you are competing against another guy ... the person who is less needy will win. The person who is trying the most will lose. Basically, don't try and don't try to impress. Say little, pause, and FOCUS on maintaining eye contact with the girl. If her attention wavers ... call her name, tap her shoulders and continue interacting ... If you rival is trying hard, trying to impress, or even tooling you ... just relax and keep calm she will be drawn to you because you are not trying to impress her. You will be the first guy ever that is not trying to impress her and she will be impressed that you are calm and relax .... resulting with her being attracted to you! Hope that helped, Sincerely, Donston |
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