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| Author: | EuroCHarmer89 [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
At least for me. Maybe I'm missing something. Every time I freeze a girl out, it's 99% of the time, the end. She'll never txt, or try to hang out again, unless I keep in touch every few weeks/months "hey, how are things?" etc. Aren't freeze outs designed to get the girl re-interested in you/thinking about you again, in fear that she's lost you? On a relating note, involving one girl in particular, just over a month ago I hooked up with my very first "girl-in-a-relationship", which I'm actually quite impressed with, ahah. We continued txting and such for about 2 weeks after, but during that time, things gradually died down, and after the 2 weeks, it pretty much died. She became cold and distant, and that's when I decided to freeze her out. Made one txt since, with a "hey, how's the new job going?" and again, nothing sparked much from there, and now I'm still on the freeze out. Can anyone maybe correct me on how freeze outs work best? How to go by them? (Side notes: She got dumped by her bf 2 days after we fucked. Don't know if he knows about us. I also still have her panties which she has never returned for) |
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| Author: | Redlight [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
Hey man, here's a few thoughts from my side... Freeze outs are the anti-LMR weapon of choice. When you are trying to close a target and she is changing her mind about letting it happen, you kill the moment for a short while, by turning on the lights, putting out the candles, turning off the music, you get the point... You resume 10 - 20 minutes later and every time she is stopping you, do the freeze out. Eventually, if you do not lose your shit in the process, the two of you will do it. See the relevant chapters from Mystery Method or Revelation... The breaks in communication you mentioned are meant to gauge the target's real interest in you. If she does not resume communication after you cut her off, you did not establish enough attraction and comfort with her. Therefore, if you keep silent, she will as well and that's the end of it... When a target is not answering my phone-call or text, I try again in one day, then two, four, eight and that's it... give it a try and see how that works... |
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| Author: | Tr@veler [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
A lot of the times freezeouts are misinterpreted by the girl as you being disinterested. Freezeouts don't always work, because every girl is different. Something might have happened in her life, like you said she got dumped, maybe she doesn't want to date right now, maybe she's gone all Christian and shit, maybe she found another guy, maybe she didn't. There's no way you can know. You have very little control over a person's behavior. PUA makes you think you can control girls' thoughts, their desires, etc, but really, you can't. You can influence them, but that's about it. Therefore freezeouts aren't a surefire technique. They work sometimes, but not all the time. The best times to use them? Well think about what a freeezeout mimicks. It mimicks that you are either too busy or disinterested. When would you lose interest? When you lose interest, that's it. That's the time to freezeout. Don't mimick the behavior, only freezeout when you really want to. You want this chick? Be congruent with that and show her, don't try to use a technique to get her, that is dishonest and incongruent. I have personally frozen out naturally several times because either the girl seemed disinterested and I cut her off (in which case she reinitiated 4 months later) or when a girl flaked and I deleted her number (she reinitiated 1-2 weeks later). The times I have tried to use it as a technique it has crashed and burned me. So the time to "freezeout" is when you really don't want contact anymore. Stay congruent to your intent. |
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| Author: | Eddie Fews [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
Freeze outs only work when you've already been intimate with the girl.. At least on a partially sexually level. And if you wait until " she becomes cold distant, and unresponsive" to do so.. It's probably a bit too late. The issue here is you aren't forming any emotional connections with these women so there is nothing to miss when you disappear from their lives. It's like you're just going for the intimate contact to please your own ego. I think you need to take time to revaluate your game and figure out why you're in this in the first place. |
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| Author: | EuroCHarmer89 [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
Thanks for the input guys! This girl was one example, of a few situations I've been in, from F closes to number closes to being thrown in the friend zone, to simply friends of mine. Emotional connection is something I will definitely need to focus on more, for sure, and makes sense. I'll definitely look deeper into that. Seems challenging, when so many people share different chemistry. I just never want to be that total AFC one-sided relationship desperate sounding guy. |
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| Author: | hugge [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Freeze outs don't seem to work.. |
Oh man... All people here seem to have a very technial view on pickup. Here is a more human answer, with more focus on the underlying psychology. When you freeze someone out you display either that you are disinterested, grouchy or just busy doing something else. None of these are positive things, and very rarely to your advantage. Now, let's think things over a little bit. What do you think a freezeout is supposed to accomplish? The obvious answer is (it is to me at least) to inflict some pain in the victim, make her worried and start wondering "what happened?". The desired result is to make her want to make things right, so she will start chasing you again. Let us think one step further here. What is the fundamental requirement that will motivate a person to chase someone else? What is the difference between "oh shit, I need to fix this relationship ASAP" and "whatever, who cares if he/she has no interest in me?". The answer is investment. So ask yourself: Is she invested enough? For every occasion when things "die out" the answer to this question is "no". A person who has invested in your relationship will put some effort to keep things alive, not letting it die. In these situations it will always be the wrong thing to do to freeze someone out. When is it the right thing to do? Only use it as a punishment when she behaves in a bad way. If that is very early on (if you have just met her) you can count on that you have only seen the tip of the iceberg. So you can as well freeze her out forever. |
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