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Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Alternative to being Alpha
If you dont want to be the alpha, be mysterious.

In a theoretical group you have the alpha, the betas, and the mysterious lone ranger. The alpha calls the shots, the betas follow, and the lone ranger does what ever the hell he wants, the lone ranger is HIS OWN ALPHA.

The lone ranger makes his own decisions, he doesn't follow orders, he is not beta, he is his own man, he is an alpha who doesnt need betas to be alpha. He's a true independent.

I stumbled across this in three ways. 1: I accidentally became the "lone ranger" in a group and it reaped rewards I never thought possible, chicks seemed mesmerized by my unorthodox decision making, it intrigued them. 2: Ive seen other guys pull it off really well. 3: One of best friends (female) always seems to go for this type.

So you don't have to be THE alpha, just be YOUR OWN alpha. It's mysterious.
Author:  Il-Cavalieri [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
Absolutely agree. That's what I do when I have to interact with an established alpha and I'm not sure i can surpass him.
Author:  hugge [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
This was an interesting topic. I have more experience being beta and alpha than the mysterious type. Can you please elaborate on what you need to do to be the lonely ranger instead of beta? What is the difference?
Author:  GamesSN [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
Eh, I tend to just do my own thing in social settings but I do like/need a base to jump from. Depending on the environment i'll be alpha or, as you say, the "mysterious/lone ranger".

Clubs/pubs i'll wander about and not give a fuck, infact i'll suggest others go distract themselves away from me at times. In house parties/sitting areas or just more social and tight knit groupings i'll be the alpha.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
Works best in groups that see each other a lot, like at work. It can take a few weeks to see rewards though because at first you seem a bit anti-social.

One key is to a successful lone ranger. You can only really pull it off if your game is at least reasonable. I did it in a work setting and a few weeks in a banged one of the girls at work, and that's when the real kudos came, and despite not being one of the alphas i had more respect than the betas, even though i still was seen as a bit anti-social.

One of the best things about it is you don't have to deal with group politics, and i think the girls view you as a bit of a fussfree fucker. You don't really get overly involved so she can fuck you without things getting complicated.

I've seen this work not just for me but other guys, so there is a niche there.
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
I really hate the term "alpha" because so many guys don't realize what it means. What you are talking about... "being your own man" is really how you should be. It's interesting to women. And that's what women look for in a man... A man who is "interesting" but is also a MAN. That's what alpha means to me... MANNING THE FUCK UP. Making decisions and going with them. Taking action. Getting shit done. Otherwise, yes. Mysterious is the way to go. Again, it keeps the girl INTERESTED. And since most girls have the attention of a fucking 4th grader... You have to be INTERESTING in order to keep their attention.

Nice post man. A whole new spin on things. I like it.
Author:  Xoved [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
Is jumping from table to table in a bar considered a lone ranger?
Because I usually keep switching tables and going to several groups of friends instead of sticking with one group.
This kept people more interested in me than any other guy and I hooked up with 5 girls when I started doing this.

This is because you are mainly seen as a great person who is NOT attached to a group. As you said, things won't get complicated because you are not part of the group, but a person who swings several groups around his shoulder.
Author:  Il-Cavalieri [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
The way I see it the main difference is that the Alpha needs peer aproval, the Lone Ranger doesn't give a fuck.

Also, the Alpha can be loud and obnoxious sometimes, begging to be on the spotlight. The Lone Ranger is more on the down low, like the strong and silent type.
Author:  Natty [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
You may have some luck, but you aren't going to have any girls throwing themselves at you.
Author:  Brantley [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
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You may have some luck, but you aren't going to have any girls throwing themselves at you.
I wouldn't say that. I probably fall into this category more than I think these days. For me it just comes down to the fact that I'm a selfish asshole. I don't like doing what others want to do(unless it's awesome of course), and if they don't want to follow my lead, well, fuck 'em. I'll go do my own awesome things. I'm more than happy to go it alone. That's actually how I've been going out a lot lately. Solo. At the same time I'm very sociable and friendly. I may be an asshole, but I still have cooth and a positive presence. I would say I'm "alpha"... but if you want to give a new category and name to it. I'll accept the loan ranger roll, being as how I really don't care what others think of me. And I don't feed of anyone's acceptance.
Author:  just-some-guy [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
this is good, never realized it until i read that. thanks.


due to laws against physical violence us civilized dudes are dependent on words in order to establish and retain alpha status. in the wild the alpha just kills or badly beats the challengers. but its not just laws its society and how we think - girls ain't attracted to violent murderers haha.

also in an industrialized developed world we all have to follow some sort of chain of command - how can you be the true alpha in your work when you've to answer to someone else?
even if you are self employed etc you still have to answer to the customer.


anyway in light of all that i find it difficult to be myself i.e the alpha because i am being undermined by the world i have to live in (as above). as a result i find myself in a cycle from alpha to lone ranger & back. lone ranger being someone who is above competing for dominance and remains cool & quiet because he knows he's number 1 so why try harder. you wont catch an alpha trying.

for example at work i've to answer to a beta. but he's the shot caller so does that make him alpha?
either way i must be submissive in order to keep my job. so my only option other than beta is lone ranger.

there's also a loud mouth who appears alpha at first but if you see his true colors he's afraid of & dependent on women. its difficult to be alpha when this guy is around because he's a master manipulator and if you beat him at his own mind games then he resorts to childish carryon in an attempt to get attention.
so basically the loud mouth douchebag try-hard who puts on a show but is spineless at the end of the day.
again in social settings when this guy is present i must lone ranger it in order not to avoid, shall we say, unpleasantness and loss of job. however i had to lol when a HB9.5 joined my company a while back, she was drawn to me and instantly collared the loud mouth for what he is.

amongst everyone else though i can be myself i.e. the alpha.
also fwiw we must not confuse lone ranger with unsociable weirdo. as the OP put it, an alpha needs betas to be alpha but the lone ranger is just above that kind of competing.
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
Really good post. I've always been a bit of a lone ranger but never really thought it out loud.

Just to elaborate, if you think about what we typically think of as the alpha male: The 6'6" blond quarterback who bullies nerds, girlfriend is the head cheerleader but he cheats on her. His status is dependent on approval from his group of males and girls. He is outcome-dependent. His mood swings based on feedback he gets from his group. There is no alpha male without betas to follow him and prop him up. Kill all the betas and the alpha has no status. A lone ranger is completely outcome-independent. He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't crave acceptance. He doesn't follow any rules. He doesn't need to be considered "the top dog" because he sets his own standards.

Perfect example of a lone ranger: Watch the surreal 1988 chick flick called "Heathers". Christian Slater's character in that movie was what every teenage girl masturbated about at that time. Slater even said in interviews that that role alone got him an unbelievable amount of pussy, even by Hollywood standards.

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Author:  Brantley [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
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Perfect example of a lone ranger: Watch the surreal 1988 chick flick called "Heathers". Christian Slater's character in that movie was what every teenage girl masturbated about at that time. Slater even said in interviews that that role alone got him an unbelievable amount of pussy, even by Hollywood standards.

Another good example would be the character Morgan in Tuff Turf, anther 80's chick flick with a bit more brawling.
Author:  Natty [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
I agree its better than a beta role, no doubt. But when its obvious that you are the person in the group that makes decisions and runs the show, girls notice it.

Depends lots on which group of friends im with, but 3/4 times if I decide to leave the bar and go somewhere else, everybody will try to follow me there anyways...lots of times folks dont know what to do when I'm not around because I'm the one that knows what's going on, makes decisions and brings the girls around.

Other circles I run with, the party can go on without me, and it is nice to swoop in, grab a girl, and nobody really takes notice because im not as important to the dynamics of that group. This takes more tact, and I generally only do it to steal some girls away for my main crew.

I'll take option 1 9/10 times.,
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alternative to being Alpha
^^The problem with this is, hanging out with betas just so that you can have the alpha status is like being a shark in a pond full of fish. Or like killing the poker tables at lower levels. You always win, but the prizes are small. There's no challenge. If you only hang out with dudes who are below you, you won't improve, you won't learn and you won't gain any +XP points.

If you insist on following the alpha path 9/10 times, hang out with a group of all alphas, no betas.
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