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Author:  sc0us3 [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
Does the MM still work. I know the routines I've read the books, Just need the finaly answer to does it work or is it a scam?
Author:  GamesSN [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
It works but you've a higher chance of getting blown out by some chick who read the book or knows the routines. Also magic is kinda lame if you can't pull it off.
Author:  Xoved [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
In my opinion, what Mystery wrote in this book applied to him. Others might not have the chance to apply his same exact routines because their personalities differ.

If you want my advice, read 2-5 books at max (the best books) and pick the best from everything. Combine them all and then start testing out what works at best for you.
Author:  ChitownMaverick [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
Nearly everything about old-school pickup is crap.

It works for Mystery because that's who he is.

HOWEVER.

MM isn't the reason Mystery got laid, or anyone else.

Girls liked him because he's tall, good-looking, and interesting.

It assumes that you're "low value," thus leading to "proving to her" that you're actually high value.

Fuck that.

Assume you have high value, and recognize that women love men simply because we're men.

You don't need any fancy tricks or routines.

Mystery didn't either, he just thought he did.
Author:  Nackopear [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
Funny, i actally came online to ask exactly the same question. I read mm but i just dont think it'll work for me although there are some things that I learned from it. However, at this point im kind of unsure where to start. What are other good books? Once my head is full of information, how do I use it? When i use mm, im constantly thinking 'in what phase am i?', 'what do i have to do next?' . I need to be more myself when i open sets.
Author:  ChitownMaverick [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:02 am ]
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Funny, i actally came online to ask exactly the same question. I read mm but i just dont think it'll work for me although there are some things that I learned from it. However, at this point im kind of unsure where to start. What are other good books? Once my head is full of information, how do I use it? When i use mm, im constantly thinking 'in what phase am i?', 'what do i have to do next?' . I need to be more myself when i open sets.
Exactly. Forget that shit, it just puts your in your head and takes you out of the interaction.

60 Years Of Challenge has four books that are, in my opinion, the best thing you can find anywhere in the Community.
Author:  hugge [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
Some things that are crap with MM:

1. Routines and canned material.
2. Compliance tests (since they can't tell you shit, not even when the girl complies).
3. Peacoking. You should dress like the people you are targeting to be considered "normal", and just make something different to stand out from the crowd.
4. Misunderstood concepts like negs, just because people don't know what Mystery actually meant (maybe not even himself).
5. All the terms and abbreviations that make you look like a nerd.
6. The three phases Attraction, Comfort and Seduction. Should be Attraction, Relationship Building, Seduction, where "attraction" has to come first, and overlap the other two.

Some things that, even if they might be lame and/or misunderstood by the majority of people, are quite good:

1. Demonstration of higher value. This is related to RSD-terms like "attitude of abundance", "buyers mentality", and not being needy in general.
2. Negs, as in "funny and teasing comments", not insults. Examples from the book The Game made me realize that negs as a "technique" is a substitute of having experience with women.
3. Push & pull - so true, so true. :)
Author:  BrandonMarshall [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
You can learn a lot from it but eventually you need to let go of all the shit you learned and just do it. It'll be subconscious. You don't want to focus on using his exact same lines
Author:  Nackopear [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:10 pm ]
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Some things that, even if they might be lame and/or misunderstood by the majority of people, are quite good:

1. Demonstration of higher value. This is related to RSD-terms like "attitude of abundance", "buyers mentality", and not being needy in general.
2. Negs, as in "funny and teasing comments", not insults. Examples from the book The Game made me realize that negs as a "technique" is a substitute of having experience with women.
3. Push & pull - so true, so true. :)
What about false time constraints? Does that actually help?

And what do you mean with push & pull exactly?
Author:  kynewguy [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:05 pm ]
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Well basically nackopear you should start your own thread but push and pul is give and take. Sometimes it's a negative and positive or talk to her in bad then good. Most canned sets and lines will box you in.
Author:  floydmayweather [ Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
Let me add my 2 cents to it. Mystery Method is not all that complicated and when you strip it down to the bare bones like I did you start to see the true gold in it.
My understanding of Mystery Method.

1. Approach the girl. aka A1

Approach with anything, preferably something that wont end in a one word answer like yes or no but engages her for 30 seconds or more. Isn't this the basis of making good conversation? Everyone teaches this, whether "natural/direct" or "indirect/routine" based.

2. Tell her about yourself. aka A2

For god's sake it's a conversation. What is so eloquently put as DHVing is merely telling people about who you are. Some people both consciously and unconsciously demonstrate their value by mentioning facts about themselves that are attractive to women. This is best done through explaining an experience you had. Mystery simply made people aware of what these things were by dividing them into categories so you can pick and choose parts of your life you want to talk about. Nothing fake or inner game bashing here. If anything, this is the part that should strengthen your inner game.

Plus I think it's safe to say that 90% of conversations ever had in the history of mankind included a lot of "canned" material. Why? Let me give you an example. If last month, you were stranded in the jungle and killed a lion with your bare hands and skinned it to make clothes, wouldn't you want to tell the story? It will go into memory and any time something about being stranded or camping came up, you would mention during conversation. It was canned but it wasn't fake because it was an experience YOU had. From here banter ensues as she asks you different questions about whatever happened like how big was the lion? how did you get stranded in the first place? and the conversation goes well.... at least most of the time.

This is why I don't bash people who use magic tricks. I don't use them personally but if they're your thing why not. Why do you think Mystery was so successful with them? Congruence. You are showing them who you are and what you enjoy and you are probably going to be more confident doing them than anything else. It's coming from a mindset of "I AM ENOUGH", isn't that what inner game is about? Plus most people like magic tricks anyway. My personal take on this is just don't overdo it and start with conversation first and only add a trick or two as spice.

3. Ask her about herself aka A3

After you have talked about yourself, you start to ask her about herself. The DHV process is there to get her interested in you and the conversation you're having. You can start from here if you want but there is a higher chance of success if you tell her about yourself first. at least in my experience and you rarely get into interview mode as long ask you keep it playful and dig deeper into her responses.

You also get her to chase you by making her talk herself up to you. That's why I think the whole Bait->Hook->Reel->Release thing works so well. Other "gurus" teach this or something similar as push/pull or teasing or whatever. A good way to flirt.

It's also here where you are now in control. It's like she's the one approaching you. So depending on what she says you can decide for yourself whether or not you would want to go further with her. Sometimes you just want a lay and that's fine but sometimes you're looking for something more and could be surprised that you and this girl actually have a lot in common and take things further.

I'm not going to go into Comfort and seduction because these where so much easier to get through than Attraction.

****** A few notes ********
I just included the conversational points of MM, you also need other parts like Body Language and eye contact which he explains well.

Negs work, love them or hate them. Whatever belief you believe they come from. You can't deny this fact. Although you can switch negs for busting her balls/teasing. In my opinion, slightly different, same effect.

You can alternate between A2 and A3, this is what is called, A CONVERSATION.

And finally, if you adapt the Mystery Method to your life and use personal "canned" material, no matter how many times a girl has read The Game, it would be impossible to spot.

I disagree with this
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It assumes that you're "low value," thus leading to "proving to her" that you're actually high value.
Fuck that.
but agree with this
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Assume you have high value, and recognize that women love men simply because we're men.
Before a woman knows you, you are a blank canvas. She doesn't know who you are or what you are about. So whatever happens during the interaction, helps her paint a picture of you. So even though you know and believe you are high value, you have to demonstrate it to her. that's why it's called Demonstrating Higher Value and not Proving Higher Value.
Author:  Alias567 [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
There was a type of mysterys routine that was called: "Bait, hook, reel, release". The "reel" was actually just compliment??
Author:  TheFury [ Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mystery Method. Simple answer needed
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Nearly everything about old-school pickup is crap.

It works for Mystery because that's who he is.

HOWEVER.

MM isn't the reason Mystery got laid, or anyone else.

Girls liked him because he's tall, good-looking, and interesting.

It assumes that you're "low value," thus leading to "proving to her" that you're actually high value.

Fuck that.

Assume you have high value, and recognize that women love men simply because we're men.

You don't need any fancy tricks or routines.

Mystery didn't either, he just thought he did.

This is bullshit. While the routines and the 8 hour rule and all that crap in MM are nonsense .. VALUE is the key to getting girls attracted to you. Demonstrate value. Sorry, assuming you are high value and that girls should like you because you are a man is retarded mental masturbation pep talk bullshit that isn't real life and only slightly improves guys game who have really low self esteem. Mystery is right that game is all about DHV.
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