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Author:  MasterOfMystery [ Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  I'm not sure what to do

Ok so I decided to read "The Game" like everyone recommended. And now I'm very unsure how to feel about this.

I don't know why it was recommended as it portrays pick up in a kind of negative way?

Also I terms of where to go from here I was initially going to read the "Mystery Method" book. However I've now realized that I don't want to completely change who I am just for pick-up. I will enjoy enhancements to myself like better style and better social and attraction skills but I will want to still be the same person at heart and not lose my current morals.

So now I'm thinking it would probably be better for me to learn natural game without canned routines.

Any advice or thoughts on these matters would be appriciated.

Thanks

Author:  TheFury [ Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm not sure what to do

Quote:
Ok so I decided to read "The Game" like everyone recommended. And now I'm very unsure how to feel about this.

I don't know why it was recommended as it portrays pick up in a kind of negative way?

Also I terms of where to go from here I was initially going to read the "Mystery Method" book. However I've now realized that I don't want to completely change who I am just for pick-up. I will enjoy enhancements to myself like better style and better social and attraction skills but I will want to still be the same person at heart and not lose my current morals.

So now I'm thinking it would probably be better for me to learn natural game without canned routines.

Any advice or thoughts on these matters would be appriciated.

Thanks
The game is a story, the Mystery method is a method and i highly recommend it. Don't worry about the directions and concrete stuff (btw, there are very few canned routines in MM) but the theory of value, IOI/IODs/etc. are highly recommended. The best way to learn natural game is to practice, but you should know the concepts of value etc.

Author:  GamesSN [ Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm not sure what to do

Exactly what TheFury said.

View The Game as an intro and proof of transformation: http://thebestten.files.wordpress.com/2 ... -after.jpg (Neil Strauss before and after)

He didn't lie about who he was or what he was. He was a loser. He changed that and pick up was that driving force to change him. He shaved his head, went to the gym and picked up important social skills to interact with women and men(In a non-sexual way).

There are some immoral things in his book but it depends how far you want to go with it and how far you want to push things. Just set a limit for yourself and follow your own set of morals. If you don't want a threesome don't aim for it. If you just want to approach women and have a few women in your phone book to call up every now and then then set that limit for yourself. No one's saying you need to spit roast some chick or get a group of women involved in an orgy.

Best way to start off is through unnatural game. You get a feel for it, get a base to jump from and when things fall into place you get a very good understanding of womens reactions. After you get a feel for it, strike out a bit and get over AA move onto natural game. Keep in mind some people are better off with unnatural and operate better when following a step-to-step guide in their head so maybe that might be for you.

You will need to know some openers and routines but work it naturally and improvise. I find natural becomes less about PU and just following loose rules that have been set in stone(Keeping eye for IOIs, IODs, DHV, Social Proofing, being alpha as fuck, etc.).

So yeah, read MM and use the theory behind it. After that read The Natural.

Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm not sure what to do

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Also I terms of where to go from here I was initially going to read the "Mystery Method" book. However I've now realized that I don't want to completely change who I am just for pick-up. I will enjoy enhancements to myself like better style and better social and attraction skills but I will want to still be the same person at heart and not lose my current morals.

So now I'm thinking it would probably be better for me to learn natural game without canned routines.
Ah, yes. Morality.

As a seducer, you'll be more successful if you have your value system intact. You just need to define what are those. You'll also need to distinguish between a moral value versus certain judgments with deep rooted psychological dysfunctions that affect how you interact with mainstream society. For instance, the Madonna/Whore complex is a common psychological issue rather than a moral value which affects a lot of newbies in this forum.

An extreme example of a Madonna/Whore complex psychological dysfunction is that of Ed Gein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein) whose mom betatized his alcoholic dad and infused in her children's minds that she was the one and only pure 'Madonna' and all other women were 'whores'.

Another judgment that doesn't sit very well with many PUAs is on inflicting emotional and physical violence on women although it's generally understood that slapping a girl's face with your cock is okay as well as some hair pulling while you're fucking her doggie style, choking her just a little bit as you climax, or gagging her with your cock while she's giving you a blowjob.

Some great values in this PUA community include:
  • 1. Loyalty. We are all very loyal to our fellow womanizing brothers. Bros first before hoes as one poster banners proudly in his signature.

    2. Commitment. We are committed to world peace and seduction. If everybody around the world is fucking instead of fighting, then we would have achieved our goal.

    3. Decency. Generally, we stay clear of social taboos like racism, pedophilia, coprophilia and other unlawful or disgusting sexual practices.

    4. Teamwork. The Chief is our prime evangelist that women are essential members of the team called the human race. Most of us agree with this.

    5. Respect for Women. Ironic, but true. Most of us here love women. We would rather treat them as human beings rather than as sex objects. Women are great, not just for sex, but also for sharing some of the best things in life like good conversations, good food, clean clothes, and spick and span apartments.
Of course, there more great values in here. You'll be introduced to those sooner than later.

As for canned routines, look at conversations both from the verbal and nonverbal aspects. Most nonverbal communication that we do are canned rather than natural. Most men suck both at reading body language and conveying subtle messages through body language. Thus, canning these nonverbal cues facilitates an easy way to learn them and get them ingrained in our system.

Defining and simplifying these nonverbal signs as applied to seduction are some of the great things you'll learn in pickup that you can also apply in your career or day to day life.

When you become good at this, hopefully, you'll help some broken hearted noob or give hope to some hopeless guy sometime in the future when most forum regulars get bored with this stuff and move on to address some other aspects of their lives.

:twisted:

Author:  MasterOfMystery [ Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm not sure what to do

Thanks for all the help guys:)

I ended up reading through the "Mystery Method" book yesterday and I'm feeling a lot better about all this stuff.

Now I just have got to get started:)

Thanks

Author:  TheFury [ Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm not sure what to do

Quote:
Thanks for all the help guys:)

I ended up reading through the "Mystery Method" book yesterday and I'm feeling a lot better about all this stuff.

Now I just have got to get started:)

Thanks
great. getting started is the key!

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