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Author:  RealMe [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Making her invest into YOURSELF
I had MTR in which I had fallen into the following pattern. I always did things for her and I never made her invest anything. By some logic I thought this would be good. Finally it came to the point she said she was bored and didn't move a finger to save the relationship.

Now with a new girl, I do not want to fall into the trap again. Any tips? I try to keep 50:50 ratio of initiating contact, and 50:50 ratio of making plans. Get her travel to see me. I try to let her do things for me - mostly sexually since I believe this is at most importance.
Author:  puaninja [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:31 pm ]
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Yea, we always think that girls test us all the time, but we should be testing them too. Make her do stuff for you. I act like I'm doing my girl a favor just by allowing her to cum, and I expect her to go above and beyond to pleasure me in return.
Author:  Semimembranosus [ Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
keep it 48,49-52,51. her interest in you should always be a little more than you in her.
what goes to sex being more important, i say, another looser.
Author:  DKWEd [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:16 am ]
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The trick is to take charge and do what you want.

Firstly make sure that you're not too available otherwise you become needy. Have some hobbies and have a social life outside of your chick. Not only does this occupy you from always texting and wanting to hang out (preventative) but it also gives you value and makes your time value (DHV).

Secondly take charge. Be dominant. by this I don't mean be aggressive or arrogant but be firm in getting what you want. If you wanna hang out on Friday, decide on what you want to do then text her,

"Let's get Ice Cream from DQ this Friday, pick you up at 8?"

That way your telling her what your doing but asking her if the time is ok. Your taking control but she feels like she's got a choice.
Author:  RealMe [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
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what goes to sex being more important, i say, another looser.
I am not sure what you mean. You are saying that I am looser because I believe good sex is the most important thing to work on in the relationship? Why is that? I would like to know more about your opinion on this.
Author:  RealMe [ Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
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The trick is to take charge and do what you want.
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Be dominant. by this I don't mean be aggressive or arrogant but be firm in getting what you want. If you wanna hang out on Friday, decide on what you want to do then text her
Thanks, great summary. I used to come off as either one of the 2 opposites: 1) being too needy 2) being too aggressive and arrogant.

Doing what I want and meanwhile being polite is what I try to do now. Also not pressuring her to anything, but also not going into submission about anything.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
THREE RULES FOR MASCULINE GENDER DOMINANCE

First Rule. When a girl wants to do something nice for you, don't stop her.

Second Rule. When a girl is doing something nice for you, it simply means that she is horny for you. Make her horny every time and bang her brains out every time. A sexually satisfied girl will do a lot of nice things for you. When she goes into this mode, see rule #1.

Third Rule. Learn to make her comply every time starting with small favors and then progressing towards bigger favors. If you're complying to her requests, make sure that the ratio is 1:3. This means that for every compliance you give to her she should comply to your request for at least 3 instances.

For example, when a girl says, "Can you pick me up at 8:00?" that's one compliance if you picked her up. When you pick her up at home shoot for one small favor at once with something like, "Hey sweetie. Can you please get me a glass of water?" When she does this, follow it up immediately with a bigger request like, "Good girl. Now give me a kiss." When she complies to your second request, say, "Thank you. Now, let's go. You drive." and tag her arm along.

Ideally, you would have complied with 1 compliance test while she would have complied with 3 of your compliance tests. The basic principle in following this ratio is that feminine women are naturally attracted to dominant men. If she is dominating you with compliance tests and you are not giving her any yourself, then she'll lose sexual attraction fast.

:twisted:
Author:  RealMe [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
Quote:
THREE RULES FOR MASCULINE GENDER DOMINANCE

First Rule. When a girl wants to do something nice for you, don't stop her.

Second Rule. When a girl is doing something nice for you, it simply means that she is horny for you. Make her horny every time and bang her brains out every time. A sexually satisfied girl will do a lot of nice things for you. When she goes into this mode, see rule #1.

Third Rule. Learn to make her comply every time starting with small favors and then progressing towards bigger favors. If you're complying to her requests, make sure that the ratio is 1:3. This means that for every compliance you give to her she should comply to your request for at least 3 instances.

For example, when a girl says, "Can you pick me up at 8:00?" that's one compliance if you picked her up. When you pick her up at home shoot for one small favor at once with something like, "Hey sweetie. Can you please get me a glass of water?" When she does this, follow it up immediately with a bigger request like, "Good girl. Now give me a kiss." When she complies to your second request, say, "Thank you. Now, let's go. You drive." and tag her arm along.

Ideally, you would have complied with 1 compliance test while she would have complied with 3 of your compliance tests. The basic principle in following this ratio is that feminine women are naturally attracted to dominant men. If she is dominating you with compliance tests and you are not giving her any yourself, then she'll lose sexual attraction fast.

:twisted:
Thanks, that sounds reasonable. I will try to incorporate some of that.
Author:  n2thevoid [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
Quote:
The trick is to take charge and do what you want.

Firstly make sure that you're not too available otherwise you become needy. Have some hobbies and have a social life outside of your chick. Not only does this occupy you from always texting and wanting to hang out (preventative) but it also gives you value and makes your time value (DHV).

Secondly take charge. Be dominant. by this I don't mean be aggressive or arrogant but be firm in getting what you want. If you wanna hang out on Friday, decide on what you want to do then text her,

"Let's get Ice Cream from DQ this Friday, pick you up at 8?"

That way your telling her what your doing but asking her if the time is ok. Your taking control but she feels like she's got a choice.
Its called being decisive.
Author:  n2thevoid [ Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
Quote:
THREE RULES FOR MASCULINE GENDER DOMINANCE

First Rule. When a girl wants to do something nice for you, don't stop her.

Second Rule. When a girl is doing something nice for you, it simply means that she is horny for you. Make her horny every time and bang her brains out every time. A sexually satisfied girl will do a lot of nice things for you. When she goes into this mode, see rule #1.

Third Rule. Learn to make her comply every time starting with small favors and then progressing towards bigger favors. If you're complying to her requests, make sure that the ratio is 1:3. This means that for every compliance you give to her she should comply to your request for at least 3 instances.

For example, when a girl says, "Can you pick me up at 8:00?" that's one compliance if you picked her up. When you pick her up at home shoot for one small favor at once with something like, "Hey sweetie. Can you please get me a glass of water?" When she does this, follow it up immediately with a bigger request like, "Good girl. Now give me a kiss." When she complies to your second request, say, "Thank you. Now, let's go. You drive." and tag her arm along.

Ideally, you would have complied with 1 compliance test while she would have complied with 3 of your compliance tests. The basic principle in following this ratio is that feminine women are naturally attracted to dominant men. If she is dominating you with compliance tests and you are not giving her any yourself, then she'll lose sexual attraction fast.

:twisted:
Terrible advice, Sounds like something you've cut-and-pasted from Mystery's book, in fact.

Compliance in this context is like dog training, it may work for very immature/young girls but the older ones you'll just get laughed at and blown out.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
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Terrible advice, Sounds like something you've cut-and-pasted from Mystery's book, in fact.

Compliance in this context is like dog training, it may work for very immature/young girls but the older ones you'll just get laughed at and blown out.
Uhm, no. It's a text book compliance technique from Dr. Robert Cialdini's 'Influence: Science and Practice'

It works for me in a lot of ways specially in my line of work. One of my clients is getting a +75% download conversion rate for his software with this technique. Another is getting a 20% sales conversion rate using another Cialdini compliance technique. It works for all age ranges; men or women.

Of course, masculine gender dominance as an attribute of sexual attraction is covered in other scientific bodies of knowledge.

So what's your advice, hmm?

:twisted:
Author:  Semimembranosus [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
I am not sure what you mean. You are saying that I am looser because I believe good sex is the most important thing to work on in the relationship? Why is that? I would like to know more about your opinion on this.

haha you do what you want. if you do what i do you would not be yourself.
what is there to work on in sex? you do what you like. there is nothing to work on.
Author:  RealMe [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
Quote:
I am not sure what you mean. You are saying that I am looser because I believe good sex is the most important thing to work on in the relationship? Why is that? I would like to know more about your opinion on this.

haha you do what you want. if you do what i do you would not be yourself.
what is there to work on in sex? you do what you like. there is nothing to work on.
Do you have the same attitude to all the aspects of the game? "Do what you want" in all the situations? I guess no. For me, the game is looking for the best thing "I really want" in the long term. Thats why we do the game in the first place right? Otherwise you wouldn't write on forums, and you wouldn't think about "game". You would just go out, do what you want and then probably be unhappy.
Author:  Semimembranosus [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Making her invest into YOURSELF
haha

whatever works for you

mostly this is for sex part.

Do you have the same attitude to all the aspects of the game? "Do what you want" in all the situations?

not in all situations. there may be many goals. sometimes i am bored and want to go out and practice seducing women. or like i read exercise and my goal would be to do that exersize on 20 women. then i can do what i want talking to women not sticking to any rules of seduction.
sometimes there are many goals. sometimes none, just to have fun and forget about any rules.

you find that sex is most important in relationship. that is kind of besides the idea of relationship. it’s about family and children. sex is only part of it in relatioship.
Author:  TheFury [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:46 pm ]
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You guys are over thinking a little bit here, methinks.

The first step to get a girl invested in you is to sleep with her. That is step number one. Doesn't have to be great sex, you don't have to make her cum, hell, it can even be BAD sex. QUALITY OF SEX HARDLY MATTERS INITIALLY. Good sex is much more important in a committed relationship when the passion, initial excitement, etc. starts to wane.

Once you have slept with a girl, that is really the key rule. Worrying about who texts a little more or less and what ratios is way over thinking the issue. Try to keep a rough balance, but don't worry so much if you text twice in a row or whatever from time to time. IT IS OK FROM TIME TO TIME.

To the guys who say sex is the most important thing in a relationship. They are wrong. It is an important component but it is not the most important, definitely not for a woman. Women are not as much about sex as us. This is why many women are happy in relationships where the sex is mediocre or even bad, and no, they aren't always cheating.

Part of this is also because a lot of guys simply do not know what good sex is. They think good sex for a woman is associated with the number of times she cums or banging her for hours which is complete utter nonsense. WOMEN ARE NOT MEN. Another reason is because a relationship is simply much more about other things than sex. You spend much more time with your partner not having sex than having sex. Women think much more about what kind of father you will be, how they enjoy your company just hanging out on the couch or while going out, not just about the orgasms you give them.
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