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Author:  Jev [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Dealing with rejection, best method?

I've seen a lot of stuff saying do not be outcome dependent, laugh at rejection and move on. Enjoy the process.
However today I saw a video with James Marshall dealing on rejection and he said to not bullshit and pretend you're some alpha male who can't be offended by rejection at all. Instead he said to pause, absorb what happened in the situation, learn and move on, ie let it offend you a bit.
I'm not sure if I could go through James's marshalls technique and not become horribly put down.
Advice on the best way to deal with rejection? Who is right? Who has implemented a technique that has got them far in the game?

Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

I prefer to just laugh it off. You've gotta realize that when a girl rejects you, she has no idea who you really are.

Another thing too... Girls don't really reject you. You reject them by creeping them out. Check out this article I wrote and it will explain a bit more in detail what I am talking about...

http://themajikalmethod.com/stop-creeping-girls/

Author:  FinalBoss [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

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I prefer to just laugh it off. You've gotta realize that when a girl rejects you, she has no idea who you really are.

Another thing too... Girls don't really reject you. You reject them by creeping them out. Check out this article I wrote and it will explain a bit more in detail what I am talking about...

http://themajikalmethod.com/stop-creeping-girls/
Bullshit. A girl can reject a guy for any number of reasons. Some of the most charismatic "PUAs" (if you want to call them that) I know have gotten blown the fuck out for absolutely no reason. Well, obviously there's a reason, but it has nothing to do with the guy. For instance, some women reject a man's approach because:
1) She has shit to do. She's on a time table and doesn't have time to stop and chat. She's late for work, a meeting, appointment, etc... Believe it or not, some women DO value their careers & responsibilities over random sexual encounters. Let's get fucking real.
2) She feels fucking depressed/sad/hungover. I've seen girls in my social circle reject guys due to feeling like shit and then later regretting it. For the poor guys, it seems like they did something wrong, when in reality, the girl was actually just super insecure about her emotional state and couldn't deal with keeping up with a highly engaging guy. It is sometimes easier for her to just block the approaching dude out then trying to readjust her state (especially if she's super depressed, stressed, etc...).
3) She just isn't attracted to you. It's almost heresy in a PUA forum to say this. A lot of PUAs have this ridiculous notion that - armed with enough social firepower - you can attract ANY woman, ever. Sorry to say, but some women just won't be attracted to you, regardless of what you do (it won't matter if you have a million girls on your dick and social proof out the roof). Have you ever met a SUPER hot woman that just didn't turn you on? LIke, she's REALLY pretty, but she just didn't get you aroused? It's possible to be a highly attractive man and still not be genetically/emotionally/physically compatible with some women. That's jus the reality of it. It's not your fault, it's natures. In fact, if you read about some of the greatest Pickup artists ever (even Casanova), they usually run into that one girl who was impervious to "game."

My friend - there is no easy way to deal with rejection. However, there are a certain mindsets you can adopt to ease the blow of it:
1) Don't use women as the source of your validation. If sleeping with girls is a huge part of your self-esteem, it's time to refocus your priorities in life. Derive validation and self-esteem from other areas in your life. Once you do this, rejection won't be as terrible to deal with because your entire identity won't be riding on your sexual success.
2) Approach women from a "buyer" mentality, not a "seller." Many guys approach women wondering what actions they can take to turn her own, get a reaction out of her, etc... Basically, they're trying to pitch themselves to strangers. This "salesmen" mindset is incredibly dangerous for beginning PUAs, although it's perpetuated by the PUA culture thanks to terms like, "closing", etc... What you need to do is approach women with the mindset of, "I wonder if she's as awesome as she is gorgeous." Screen the fuck out of her, and make sure she's a woman that actually turns you the fuck on. Don't settle for anything less.
3) Like James Marshall said, it's best to not mask the pain of rejection with "alpha" behavior. Instead, I would recommend you adopt a mindset of humor. It can be funny to get rejected! Just the absurdity of approaching strangers in public and trying to turn them on is already fucking hilarious, and when they say, "no" it should be met with lighthearted amusement.

Personally, I use rejection as a chance to act as absurd and self-amusing as possible. After I've pretty much determined there's no way this chick is going for me right now (or if I determine I don't really like her anyway so her rejection was a godsend), I like to mess her head a bit and just have as much fun with it as possible. In fact, I've actually pulled a few girls this way (post-rejection).

Moments like those make me realize that by sticking within the boundaries of PUA, I'm actually hurting myself more than if I simply lose the whole, "IOI, DHV, CALIBRATION, SOCIAL PROOF" bullshit and just express myself fully.

Author:  detox75 [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

How much rejection hurts is almost in direct inverse proportion to how many other options you have available. The best way to handle rejection is to have enough other options you could not give a fuck less.

Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

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Bullshit. A girl can reject a guy for any number of reasons. Some of the most charismatic "PUAs" (if you want to call them that) I know have gotten blown the fuck out for absolutely no reason. Well, obviously there's a reason, but it has nothing to do with the guy. For instance, some women reject a man's approach because:
1) She has shit to do. She's on a time table and doesn't have time to stop and chat. She's late for work, a meeting, appointment, etc... Believe it or not, some women DO value their careers & responsibilities over random sexual encounters. Let's get fucking real.
2) She feels fucking depressed/sad/hungover. I've seen girls in my social circle reject guys due to feeling like shit and then later regretting it. For the poor guys, it seems like they did something wrong, when in reality, the girl was actually just super insecure about her emotional state and couldn't deal with keeping up with a highly engaging guy. It is sometimes easier for her to just block the approaching dude out then trying to readjust her state (especially if she's super depressed, stressed, etc...).
3) She just isn't attracted to you. It's almost heresy in a PUA forum to say this. A lot of PUAs have this ridiculous notion that - armed with enough social firepower - you can attract ANY woman, ever. Sorry to say, but some women just won't be attracted to you, regardless of what you do (it won't matter if you have a million girls on your dick and social proof out the roof). Have you ever met a SUPER hot woman that just didn't turn you on? LIke, she's REALLY pretty, but she just didn't get you aroused? It's possible to be a highly attractive man and still not be genetically/emotionally/physically compatible with some women. That's jus the reality of it. It's not your fault, it's natures. In fact, if you read about some of the greatest Pickup artists ever (even Casanova), they usually run into that one girl who was impervious to "game."
Agreed. You won't have chemistry with everyone. Not everyone will like you and there are also external factors as to why a girl would reject you. However, the more socially calibrated you become, the easier it is to make rejection something that isn't real. You will always be able to find new ways to over come objections and make rejection non existent or atleast minimize it.
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My friend - there is no easy way to deal with rejection. However, there are a certain mindsets you can adopt to ease the blow of it:
1) Don't use women as the source of your validation. If sleeping with girls is a huge part of your self-esteem, it's time to refocus your priorities in life. Derive validation and self-esteem from other areas in your life. Once you do this, rejection won't be as terrible to deal with because your entire identity won't be riding on your sexual success.
2) Approach women from a "buyer" mentality, not a "seller." Many guys approach women wondering what actions they can take to turn her own, get a reaction out of her, etc... Basically, they're trying to pitch themselves to strangers. This "salesmen" mindset is incredibly dangerous for beginning PUAs, although it's perpetuated by the PUA culture thanks to terms like, "closing", etc... What you need to do is approach women with the mindset of, "I wonder if she's as awesome as she is gorgeous." Screen the fuck out of her, and make sure she's a woman that actually turns you the fuck on. Don't settle for anything less.
3) Like James Marshall said, it's best to not mask the pain of rejection with "alpha" behavior. Instead, I would recommend you adopt a mindset of humor. It can be funny to get rejected! Just the absurdity of approaching strangers in public and trying to turn them on is already fucking hilarious, and when they say, "no" it should be met with lighthearted amusement.
Good shit. Again, not everyone will like you. Rejection is part of life. But once you get rejected for the same reason over and over again... You need to realize that the only common denominator in the interaction is YOU. (meaning that in some way... You creeped the girl out) Seeing things as funny and not taking life so seriously will only help make it easier but you also should see rejection as a place where you can improve.

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Personally, I use rejection as a chance to act as absurd and self-amusing as possible. After I've pretty much determined there's no way this chick is going for me right now (or if I determine I don't really like her anyway so her rejection was a godsend), I like to mess her head a bit and just have as much fun with it as possible. In fact, I've actually pulled a few girls this way (post-rejection).

Moments like those make me realize that by sticking within the boundaries of PUA, I'm actually hurting myself more than if I simply lose the whole, "IOI, DHV, CALIBRATION, SOCIAL PROOF" bullshit and just express myself fully.
Also, great advice. This comes down to again not taking life so seriously and realizing that even when a girl rejects you... You are still enjoying yourself. This is how you build some really sweet reference experiences. Doing absurd shit like starting to sing "I'm a little tea cup" and just seeing what the fuck happens. There is a really good book I'd suggest reading called Poke The Box by Seth Godin that explains how crazy shit can happen if you just try something new. Check it out.

Author:  Jev [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

Cheers guys, that is some really good stuff. Ill go over that all more thoroughly, I definitely want to adopt those mindsets. The mindset seems like the most important thing. That's why the only thing that annoyed me is now that looks were mentioned, I can't help thinking that when I get rejected it will be largely todo with that. Admittedly I can tell my mindset at the moment is too paranoid and thinking too much.
For stuff like daygame where rejection comes up a lot more, I suppose instead I will try and implement those three mindsets as much as possible and barrel through rejection if it does get too tough.
Last week I did daygame in London and as I was quite nervous out of ten sets I only got one number, which wasn't too good. But Ill work harder at this now.

Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

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out of ten sets I only got one number, which wasn't too good. But Ill work harder at this now.
Stop worrying so much about your "average" and worry about getting the experience. I've been doing this for 5 yeras now... I would guess I've approached 6000-7000 girls... I have nowhere near that many numbers/day 2s/lays. Just approach as many girls as you can and get the reference experience. Once you know how to act in one situation, you can use that subconsciously stored knowledge to make yourself act that way in another situation.

Author:  fishnwomen [ Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with rejection, best method?

It's difficult for a girl to reject YOU when she has only met you for a few minutes. What she is actually rejecting is your approach, she is putting up a defense since she has probably seen similar approaches from other guys she rejected.

Everything is pattern recognition... girls are far superior to guys at recognizing patterns- good looking girls are approached quite a bit if they are social. You need to approach a lot yourself to begin to recognize what works. It's all on a subconscious level.

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