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Author:  Try [ Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  False IOI's ?
Hey guys i need your opinion on something:

Yesterday at a club there was this HB8 dancing with some girlfriends, we made AC and we smiled. Some minutes later i saw her standing alone at the bar, so i opened with the direct "are you friendly?" opener.
The thing is, i ran straight into her bitch shield. I tried to keep the conversation going and did some cold reading, but she didn't contribute to the conversation. When I asked her to play the lying game, where she has to lie 5 times, she simply said "No".

So my two basic questions are:

Why is she giving IOI's when her bitch shield is still activated?
What's a good response if the girl doesn't want to play games/routines?

Thanks for helping me out.
Author:  Roads [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:45 pm ]
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Need more info. Was she smiling while you were running the routines on her? Did she seem to enjoy herself? How was her body language? Were you doing kino? What the hell is AC, Ass Contact? Do you mean EC?

Basically, it's normal for the first 15 mins of the conversation to be entirely dominated by the PUA. Talk her head off. She says "No" to something? Reward her with an IOD. Neg her, make fun of her, stop kino immediately. Then DHV yourself, neg her, test her again. Usually this gets a positive response. Of course if your game sucks then she'll freak out and find a way to excuse herself. Nevertheless, assume the sale and keep plowing until either you get the girl or scare her off.
Author:  HBhitman [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:27 am ]
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Could be false IOI's as well.

If you made EC and got a smile then talked to her a few minutes later, you didn't follow the 3-second rule. In this situation I don't know if the direct approach would've been the best route but right after making EC and getting the smile, start the game by turning to another chick standing next to you and open HER instead. This show's your target that you've got a short attention span and if she gets your attention in the future she's lucky. It also increases your social value.

Short answer to your two questions:
Again, could be false IOI's.
Good response would be start working other people.
Author:  PrettyBoy41 [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:48 am ]
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she wasnt giving you and IOIs when you encountered her bitch shield. in all honesty, she probably just thought you were nice to look at, and when you caught her she just smiled, but she was so sick of guys coming up to her and trying the same shit to get her somewhere she has no desire to be that she just didnt bother giving you the time of day. shit happens. move on.
Author:  mozyFresh [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:38 am ]
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Roads, AC=ass contact
Spot on, adding this to my game.

What i would really like to know is her reply to 'are you friendly?'
Let me guess she said 'no im a complete and utter bitch'.
Anyway forget that, when they say 'no' (jokingly) i say why aren't you friendly. Wow drunk and unfriendly. If she aint gonna play along i say 'i was gonna ask (or show) you something, but i think i wont now, i'll go ask someone more friendly'. I know its not the perfect opener, but you can tell alot about them from their answer
Author:  Try [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:33 am ]
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Thanks for your replies!

I didn't follow the 3-second rule because the smiling and EC happened on the dancefloor, where it was way too loud. So i waited until she got off the dancefloor.
The conversation went something like this:
Me:"are you friendly?"
HB:"No..."(not smile)
Me:"And how does that work out for you?(smile)
HB:"pretty well(smile)
Me:"You just smiled, see, your not that unfriendly, you'r such a bad liar. But that's because your a woman, women can't lie that well, i'll show you, lets play a little game.(thinking of the game where she has to lie 5 times)
HB:"No"
Me:"Wow, you'r fun to hang out with, your friends must love that about you.(smiling and turning away a little bit)
HB:"..."
And then i got bored and opened a mixed 3-set next to her.

Usually they either play the lying game or start a general conversation about lying where you can throw in the "who lies more, men or women?" question and disqualify yourself with "thats why you and I would never get along".

...that's why it was bothering me ;)


btw. i have no idea why i wrote AC..^^
Author:  tweeby [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:32 pm ]
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You did well to stay in there.

And I wonder what everyone thinks about opening a one-set? If I remember correctly, isn't that a no no?
Author:  3 hands [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:41 pm ]
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Can I just call this a classic case of not reading between the lines? Without actual info on the situation I can't give any further explaination. So I'll ask was she into you after a min or so talking or did she have the ''OH NO, not ANOTHER weird line!''-face?
Author:  Try [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:54 pm ]
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She had the ''OH NO, not ANOTHER weird line!''-face, thats why i moved on and opened the 3-set next to her. I guess i misinterpreted the EC and smile.

@tweeby: What's wrong with opening a one-set?
Author:  colar [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:00 pm ]
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i think she probably think that you waited for her to be along to talk to her .
Author:  3 hands [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:55 pm ]
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if she gives you the face, just try to be a normal (sexy) guy.
Author:  tweeby [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:43 pm ]
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>@tweeby: What's wrong with opening a one-set?

If I remember correctly opening a one-set is generally not advised.

Why?
1) It's just you and her. From her point of view, anything you say is gonna translate to *How about some dick.*

2) It makes her very uncomfortable. She has none of her friends to back her up. Remember, you're a stranger. And you've just approached her.

3)Opening a two-set or greater is better because she doesn't KNOW that she is the target. You should be ignoring the target. When you've connected with the entire group then you hook her in.

4)Opening her in a set means she feels relaxed because she has her friends with her for support. You're demonstrating good social value within the group. In general if you make her friends feel at ease, she should follow suit.

At least that's how I see it. I don't know what the others think? As with anything in life, the *Rules* are there as a guideline. There may be times when it is OK to approach a one-set. But in general, I wouldn't...
Author:  mozyFresh [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:07 pm ]
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If you cant open 1 sets thats gonna limit the amount of girls you can approach big time. There are no set rules that you have to stick to and cant fall out of. You need to adapt to the situation and use common sense.

Should'nt open 1 sets? Where on earth did you here this?
Author:  tweeby [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:25 pm ]
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>Should'nt open 1 sets? Where on earth did you here this?

That shit isn't made up, it's material I've read:

"Never approach a woman on her own, look for groups"


Also see reasons in my post above.

>You need to adapt to the situation and use common sense.

I agree, no rules are cast-iron. There are always exceptions.
Author:  Try [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:24 pm ]
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Opening one-sets isn't more difficult, it's just different.
Quote:
1) It's just you and her. From her point of view, anything you say is gonna translate to *How about some dick.*
Thats true, even if you disqualify yourself, it's hard/impossible to use indirect game. Use direct game instead. In my experience day game is mostly one on one.
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