Depends largely on the kind of kiss and what happened leading up to the kiss. If you are holding hands with the girl and touching her and you make out a bit, you're good. If you have a kiss at the door or a kiss on the cheek, you're not good.

Also, the 7 hour thing is a very general idea. I've slept with a girl within an hour of meeting her. Another if I want I could sleep with her within two hours. If you are getting physical fast then you'll get sex fast. If you are nervous and uncomfortable escalating physically, it will take a while, or maybe never.

Right now with Day 2s I am concentrating on my timing, sexual escalation and kino escalation. I just got home from a date with a Swedish girl and it went ok, kiss closed goodbye (not good enough) but there were some language barriers.

My question here is: the 7 hour rule talks about roughly taking 5-7 hours from meeting her, comfort building to a bed (or car in my case). This date lasted 3 hours; was I ok for this date to end with a kiss goodbye or is a kiss goodbye an indicator of my game not being tight enough?

One of the keys is just being very close to the girl. Often I'll be literally two centimeters from a girl's mouth when we are talking. I escalate very quickly. Get close, stay close. Once the girl accepts your touch, then don't be a puss: touch her. She wants it. Don't grab her, but play.

Now I am relatively new to this (a month or so) so I am still learning, how do you justify being that close?

It's okay, it's painfully obvious that you are new to this.

Turn the question around. How do you justify NOT being that close?

Look, the thing you have to get through your head is what women want. Women are DESPERATE, simply desperate, to have a guy who will give them permission to be feminine. They are love machines and are bored as hell until someone flips the switch.

If you could peak in their brains you'd see these creatures who have jobs, have friends, but spend their time reading magazines about celebrities, talking to their girl friends, watching TV and movies all to keep that love light lit.

When a guy comes around, she wants him to be "the one". She wants you to be close. She wants to feel attraction. It's what's fun about pick up. You do a few "tricks" (and they are tricks) and the girl flips into love mode and then you just sit back as she just goes crazy over you. It's hilarious.

Don't think about it so much. You meet a girl, you touch her to see if she is receptive to your touch. You get close to get her attraction routines running, then you pull back and let her do her magic. Engage her body, engage her mind, engage her sex. Click-whirr.

I was just reading a post on a method by Ciaran, which is amazing for this.

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The basic concept is to be really upset at the girl for being so hot. Like all this attraction and touching is her fault. That you are trying to behave yourself, but it's simply impossible. Do everything you can to stay away, but it's utterly impossible and you are upset with her about it.

This is amazing. You touch, then withdraw then touch some more and the girl just watches as you can't control yourself. I'm going to try this as I an see that this would escalate sexuality so fast, it's crazy. You, a strong man, not being able to control yourself would give her permission to not be able to either. Blamo...sex.