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Author:  Jason. [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:08 am ]
Post subject:  hardcore friend zone
anyone with personal experience getting out of the friendzone?

i have a friend from elementary, middle school and high school. i was very clumsy when i was young with women , and she knows all this stories. she knows i fancy her, and she is one of my best friends. its been so much time she's used to me fancying her and being just friends. to the point we are absolutely upfront with each other. i can ask her if she wants to go for coffee and if she doesnt feel like it she will just say no, thanks. she does invite me to her birthday, contact me from time to time and invite me and her best friend from school to see her perform (she hopes to be actress)

we have a lot in common, she's fucking sexy and i love her personality. im her best male friend probably but we dont talk about the boys she fancies and that stuff. im not her gay friend, im more like the friend that makes her feel wanted.

she never found me attractive i think, im not her type. she likes small very confident alfa males that dress well, somewhat like a skater boy but not a bad boy, more like a leader.

im more like vin diesel you could say. not that big though, but that body type.
i think the biggest DLV is that she knows a lot of girls that have rejected me in the past.

i've been toled once that she finds me good looking.

oh and she knows me waaay too well. i have asked her out, one or two times. she agreed to see me as friends for coffee but she sais she feels "intimidated". in spanish its not the same though, intimidada is a form of anxiety, like the one you would feel before going on stage to do public speaking or something like that.

idk there's so much history with this girl i could write a book, i tried to summerice probably left important stuff out, if you need more specific info i can provide.

oh and she knows i am much better with girls now, and i've changed a lot since highschool.

i know its hard my question is is it possible? what would it take to make her whant me and how?

im adding a chat conversation with her in the comments

Owen
Author:  Jason. [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: hardcore friend zone
i'll post our last chat: (keep in mind this is a pretty poor translation from spanish)

ME: (at 3 am a wensday, i couldnt sleep) oook, so being that takeing you out to drinks is almost impossible, i always wanted to tell you something i never got to, before you left (she changed schools last highschool year)

of aaaall the girls i've been attached to, you where always special, for one thing.
you where the first girl that made me want to work on myself to be a better man. :)

HER: hahahaha you woke me up but its okkk
thats so niceee :) really!

ME: :)
sorry hahaha

the next day:

ME: haha so i woke you up a 3am hu?

HER: yesss. dude hahaha i was so asleeep

ME: hahaha i was like on tomorrow she's wakeing up with something nice. how you didnt kill me idk.

HER: and i left the volume up and i have it super loud haha

hahah i was a sleeptalking anyways

today at 10am i remembered and read it again

ME: :)
i was pretty asleep too maybe it wasnt very poetic what i wrote there
hahaha

HER: hahahha nono its pperfect haha

ME: haha that was what i wanted to tell you a while ago
idk if you remember

HER: oohohohohohoh its trueeee haha
i had forgotten

ME: (rapport building stuff, teasing, bla bla for a while, then:)
hahah i love how you are still the same from highschool
so you are not dating anyone?

HER: hahaha nono
im toootally alooone haha
but im good like this
i would really like to be with someone but im chill

ME: hahaha dont try to give me pity you are still the same

HER: im not trying to give you pity sillyyyyy

ME: hahaha
i would ask you out but
im chatting your lesvian friend up(a friend of her kissed me and it turns out she's gay, anyway)
i go for the dificult ones you see....

HER: naaaa reallyyyy?? haha tell me all about it pleaseeeee

ME: hahaha
i was joking!
i talked to her and all

HER: uuuuuuhhh thats borring

ME: if shes a lasvian im not even gonna botherr

HER: sooo?
haha she's a lesvian but she ulls arround with boys too

(bla bla bla, cut to a more relevant part)
ME: hahaha

so are you gonna accept me takeing you do something some day girlll?

HER: (still talking about her bi friend, then:)
mmmmmmm no

ME: oh not cool

HER: Heyyy i gotta go i just took a herb tea to sleep and im about to fall!

Byeeeeeee

ME: hahaha escapee
ooook

HER: hahaha oh well, there's no other way
byeeeeee

ME: hahaha

HER: hahah no, anyway, no kidding i really need to sleep

ME: haha ok rest well

im not giving upp though

one day we're going out, you'll see

HER: hahaha no i dont think so but do as you want
byeeeeee

ME: hhaha we'll see we'll see
Author:  BingoBerry [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: hardcore friend zone
I feel for you man :( I have been there once upon a time.

I can tell you now this girl is using you and you are completely at the mercy of her.

You have a few options, hope fully other posters post here too, I haven't really been in the friend zone ever again after the first girl (Fuck that lol)

I would say if you feel that your feelings for her are really strong, you don't mind a relationship and you want her no matter the cost then :

step 1 : Invite her out as a friend for "coffee" as you say
step 2 : Create a situation were you can be alone preferably with a bed close by
step 3 : Touch her (Doesn't have to be a obvious touch) For example tell her she has something on her legs, or theres a bee on her back and help get it off(Or even on her ass if your feeling in a fun mood lol) If she points it out like heyyyyy you were just getting a free feel! Own up to it! Be like: "Ah damn you caught me, it looked really yum/juicy your fault for looking good!" That seems like it would work with your personality.
Step 4 : Massage! Knock those physical boundaries down

Basically don't mention sex, touch her/escalate - the end. If you kiss her be like: "Whoa I have no idea what I was thinking we're just friends" etc

Now that method can work and you can get in a relationship but this is what I did when I was in the friendzone.

I gave her an ultimatum. I told her either we go out and see where this goes or you should get out of my life because I don't have the time to be someones emotional tampon. Now you don't have to say it like that but be clear and be ready to leave her. Say something like: "Look you are special to me, but this relationship is all wrong. I can't do this anymore. I love you etc (However you feel) But I can't have you in my life the way our relationship exists. (basically say that the only way you'l have her in your life is as a lover, if not then she has to go, you can't deal with that)

Since you are her guy best friend she should hold you with high regard in her life. Once you go missing she will either realize what she had or she will move on

What you do is go meet more girls, you are stuck on one. I hate to say it but the PUA advice go fuck 10 other girls is a very good way of flushing out surplus emotions to one girl. If she calls you out on this, just tell her you had to move on with your life. This is ALOT harder than the first option but I promise you is x10 better for you as a person. I have been there man, I feel for you.

She will either come back to you or not, you have to be ready to take a chance.

One day when you are stronger emotionally and you have been through many girls you will find a relationship that works well and where you and your partner are equally in love.

Then there is the other option of being her friend and continually doing everything to get with her. I gues going to extremes would be somewhat good. If your looking for a fairytale ending they can happen. I have seen some of them. But I can tell you now, she may just be fucking some guy on the side and marry him. This can end really well or really bad.

I really wish you all the best man, hope you get out of this 100%
Author:  Jason. [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: hardcore friend zone
yo bingoberry thanks for the support, i'll try that

yeah the situation is not that bad for me anyways. like she's hot, so obviously she has hot friends, and she's super bitchy normally so just by being my friend and having her "blessing" i get massive pre-selection, she loves me as a friend and has many times introduced me to her friends. she's the reason why i hooked up with this lesvian chick i talk about with her.

i mean i kinda win eighther way but im looking for an exclusive relationship if the girl is good enough and she is one girl i could see myself in a serious thing with.

yeah the ultimatum wouldnt work with this girl, she's massively proud so she would be offended and send me to fuck off.
Im not like in love with her, i just really like her and want her, i've been in love with her when i was a boy though, but i know how to handle that now.

i can touch her and hugh her no problem i've done it before. i think it would be virtually imposible to get her to come to my house alone :/ i would need a very good excuse

congrats though on your getting out of the friend zone thats impressive, not many can!

oh and to clarify, at the begining of my conversation with her i was not gaming her, i was just being nice to a friend :) in about the time she said she was looking for something i actually started to try to game her a little bit
Author:  Jason. [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: hardcore friend zone
oh and shes 19 and im 90% sure she's a virgin. really hard to get girl.
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